(Closed) Take a test to vote?

posted 4 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Should people have to take a basic civics & logic test to vote? (No language requirement)
    Yes, people should have to pass a test : (9 votes)
    29 %
    No, voting should stay test-free : (22 votes)
    71 %
  • Post # 3
    4685 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: January 2014

    Given our history with using voting tests to disenfranchise black people and other minorities, I think it’s a bad idea.

    Post # 4
    9057 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2010

    No, I don’t think we need to introduce more barriers to decrease voter turnout even more.

    I’m satisfied with every citizen being entitled to vote, and in fact would be MORE inclined to go the Australian route of mandatory voting, than to make it more exclusive.

    Post # 5
    726 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2014

    Voting is an inalienable right in the USA. 

    Post # 6
    559 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: October 2014

    There is no way on earth this could ever be implemented without bias against minority voters.  Ever.  Just the translation of the test into Spanish, for example, could be done in such a way as to make it misleading.  Voting tests also smack of literacy tests, which were used all across the South to disenfranchise African-American voters.  Also, when one considers the low rates of voter registration and voter turn-out, never mind the issues that came up in the past election with inadequate polling places and hours long wait times in some urban areas just to get people to vote, a voting test becomes another impediment to sufferage.  It would never stand up to scrutiny, and it would be used as a weapon against minority populations no matter how equitably it was intended.  This is the same problem we’re encountering with picture ID laws for voting.  They invariably make voting harder for historically disenfranchised populations, frankly, and are designed to do so.  

    Post # 7
    7564 posts
    Bumble Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2013

    @kaylee26:  My thoughts exactly. 

    Furthermore, who is qualified to say who should be given the right to vote? No one.  That’s why it’s considered an inalienable right. 

    Post # 8
    2055 posts
    Buzzing bee

    @kaylee26:  +1

    This savours a bit too strongly of Third Reich shit, to me.

    Post # 9
    10510 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

    I like the idea in theory.  When I was younger this was actually something I had come up with too and was all for.

    I think there are just too many issues for it to be something I would actually want implemented.

    Post # 11
    958 posts
    Busy bee

    Where is your other poll? I don’t see it in your profile.

    Pleasssse let it be about presenting ID to vote. Pleeeeeease. 🙂

    Post # 12
    10510 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

    @Bebealways:  There was a voting scandal a few years back with mail in ballots.  A specific group of recent immigrants was targeted in it.  I think mandatory voting would lead to bigger scandals, with vote buying and that type of thing with people who don’t really care or even know where their vote goes.

    I don’t know the specifics of how it works in Australia.  Do people with severe dementia or reduced mental capacity have to vote?

    Post # 14
    6361 posts
    Bee Keeper

    Great idea in theory, but the first challenging part: How do you assure that the test is not biased to favor one political party over another? Republicans would benefit from questions that require more academic knowledge because the disenfranchised would not have the same opportunities for academic knowledge. Democrats would benefit from questions that involve critical thinking as dem voters tend to do better in that. Independent parties would probably benefit from both types of questions (especially the latter) but they have very little sway.

    Can you see how the exact wording of each question would be debated on ad nausium? Though eventually an agreement could be come to. (though this won’t be easy at all… think of how there would have to be multiple versions of the test to minimize cheating. Corrupt politicians who have the money to spend on an organized cheating scheme won’t be above cheating to get more successful votes).

    Next and most challenging, a serious problem faced by many great and highly logical ideas that would make the world a better place: How can you create the POLITICAL WILL to do it?

    Federal politicians and their funders DO NOT PREFER an informed voter. (If you disagree, that’s fine, but assume the just for the sake of discussing this  that they don’t prefer it. How will we, the public, cause this to happen anyway?) 

    Post # 15
    6361 posts
    Bee Keeper

    BTW, my view is that we have to get the money (funders, donors, lobbyists) out of politics… it will corrupt any other effort to correct the situation.

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