Post # 61
RobbieAndJuliahaha : Or, even worse, teacher is armed and starts firing wildly toward who he/she thinks is the shooter, possibly hitting other students in the process. Then police appear and see teacher firing gun and in the chaos of the moment, gun down the teacher instead of the actual shooter.
Post # 62
Another thought: Why is it that the consistently low rates of gun violence in dozens of countries with strict gun laws isn’t enough to persuade gun rights advocates that gun control works….yet “Chicago” (an example that doesn’t even make any sense given how easy it is to get guns in neighboring states) is enough to convince them it won’t work?
Why are gun rights proponents so quick to say “guns aren’t the problem and gun control won’t do anything” despite copious evidence to the contrary that we can observe in dozens of countries around the world….yet they’re 100% confident that arming teachers – something that hasn’t been studied or even tried in the real world yet – is the answer to all our problems?
I think the shitty logic is what’s frustrating me the most today. It’s just insulting to our intelligence.
Post # 63
- Wedding: July 2017 - The Lodge at Little Seneca Creek
Absolutely not. If they try to arm me, I will leave the classroom. This is not a solution. The NRA needs to allow our government to do gun violence research, so that they can come up with actual solutions.
Post # 64
I’m not a teacher, but I have several friends that are, and they all said they would leave the profession if they were forced to be armed. I won’t reshash the reasons, as they are the same as the PP.
I work in a hospital and we have active shooter drills. It has never once been suggested that hospital staff become armed, at least at my place.
I am 30 and I remember when Colombine happened. The two shooters obviously had severe mental health issues (that we’ve mentioned on this thread) but if I recall correctly, didn’t they bascially want to become famous for that tragedy? If we have to place some “blame” on something, what about the advent of social media? The Florida shooter posted on You Tube that he was going to be a school shooter. Was he trying to get his 15 minutes of fame? I have high school age cousins and they’re all about whose liking their posts on SnapChat. They don’t know how to communicate anymore. In their schools, they do so much more work on laptops and tablets than even 5 years ago. Just more time spent looking at a screen.
I don’t know what the answer is. I do believe arming teachers/pastors/doctors isn’t the answer.
Post # 65
skunktastic : “Shall we be like the UK, unable to carry so much as a pocketknife for protection or to cut a stray piece of string dangling from a shirt?”
For the record I have never come across a single person in the UK who has any kind of outrage over not being able to carry a knife or pocket knife on them so that was a really bizarre comment to make. Not to mention the fact that who needs a knife on them at all times in public just in case…they need to cut a loose thread? Literally what the hell.
Post # 66
zzar45 : how dare someone suggest a ban on my humble thread cutting knife. Don’t tread on me.
Post # 67
skunktastic : So why have any laws if people can just break the law anyways? Why pay for a wall if people can just find another way around the wall? My coworker, who is a very responsible gun owner got so upset the other day after the town hall meeting with Rubio and the NRA spokeswoman and made some of the same arguments that you are making and also wants to arm teachers with guns. But how does that solve the issue of protecting other citizens at everyday places from being attacked? The Las Vegas shooter purchased around 38 guns in one year, shouldn’t that be a red flag right there? I can only purchase a limited amount of allergy medicine at a time because people make meth out of it but I can purchase as many guns and ammo at a time as I want. My husband bought a gun from his friend and all they had to do was print out a paper and each sign it. I bought him one online and it was sent to a licensed dealer and they ran the background check on me. What if I was buying it and giving it to someone who I knew wouldn’t pass a background check? Why is it easier (and cheaper) to buy a gun than it is to get a car and a driver’s license? My coworker can purchase a kit online for $400 to build an assault rifle and my husband at one time was going to buy one as well but now he realizes he doesn’t need it and can’t live with himself to own something that was used to murder innocent children.
redmango : I agree with you about 15 minutes of fame. We need to stop plastering the faces of these killers, foreign or domestic terrorists, all over the media. Can you imagine being a survivor or family/friend of someone who was murdered and not being able to get away from seeing these killers everywhere?
Everyone keeps blaming mental illness, which I’m not arguing that something is psycholigically wrong with people who carry out these horrors, but we need to realize that we have a toxic masculinity problem. Other than San Bernandino I cannot think of any other attacks on this scale that were carried out by a female. Women have an astronomically higher rate of suffering from depression, anxiety, abuse, and mental illness but the overwhelming majority of these atrocities are executed by males.
Post # 68
younikkitome : Great points about cars, allergy medicine, etc. Unfortunately, I doub’t you’ll get a direct response to any of those points from Skunktastic or any of the other gun apologists on here. They’ll just continue moving the goalpost to a different nonsequitur and then flounce in a huff.
Post # 69
tiffanybruiser : yeah, there’s no honest debate with these folks and each one of them repeat what the NRA or Trump have said. There’s no actual individual thinking, because if there were, they’d work it through and land on how absurd it would be to arm teachers.
How absurd it is to be screaming about their right to own a military grade killing machine when they haven’t the sense to question corporate sales talking points disguised as “arguments for freedom” they’ve internalized.
Same thing in the thread on the president. Bashing the FBI over this shooting, because that’s exactly what Trump is doing. Gotta stop that FBI before they betray our country— oh, wait, that’s not the FBI, that’s Trump.
… The guy who’s bashing law enforcement.
… The one who claims he’s so pro cop, but is now blaming law enforcement up and down the chain for not stopping an AR15. You know, the weapons not allowed around Trump even though he’s heavily guarded by expertly trained SS.
Seriously. It’s so pathetically transparent.
Post # 70
younikkitome : More than half of all women murdered in U.S. are killed by an intimate partner with a gun, and the chance of being murdered by an abusive partner increases five-fold when there is a gun in the home.
So yeah. Toxic masculinity, and the women who cheer those men on and think if they are just like those men, they won’t be hurt.
Post # 71
tiffanybruiser : Agree, another possible tragic scenario….so many potentially tragic scenarios out of this. It’s an appallingly bad idea.
zzar45 : “Not to mention the fact that who needs a knife on them at all times in public just in case…they need to cut a loose thread? Literally what the hell. “
I wish I could upvote this comment more than once! It just shows how inane and bizarre pro-gun supporters will go to make their illogical comparisons.
BalletParker : “Seriously. It’s so pathetically transparent.”
To all except the pro-NRA, pro-Trump Borg Collective.
Post # 72
BalletParker : Yep. You gotta love our draft-dodging president calling the armed guard at Parkland a “coward” because he failed to stop the shooting. And then in the NEXT BREATH saying that arming teachers is the solution!
You cannot make this idiocy up.
Post # 73
Does anyone really think it should be the responsibility of an already underpaid, overworked teacher with a concealed handgun to take on a crazy person with an assault rifle? Really? What a world we are living in today.
I’m not a teacher, but I am a parent and have a number of friends who are teachers. There is no way on earth any of them would agree to be armed and no way on earth my children will stay in a school with teachers who are. This is not a solution.
I am grateful to the teenagers who are scoring better points in the media this week than the fearful adult leaders have for some time. It seems corporate America is beginning to pay attention. We’ll see if our so-called leadership can get their heads out of their asses and the pockets of their donors to finally do what is right by banning assault weapons and actually requiring background checks. Numerous videos this week with minors denied the purchase of cigarettes or alcohol yet able to purchase guns in the US. Outrage.
Post # 74
Why isn’t the US calling a referendum on this? If the entire nation voted on whether or not to keep the second amendment or kill it, wouldn’t that settle things? Let the people speak, not the politicians who get their palms greased by the NRA.
Post # 75
skunktastic : The point isn’t that guns right now are #1. The point is when they are gone, something else will be #1, then something else, then something else. You don’t need to buy a cocktail of chemicals in order to dump rat poison in the cafeteria food. Cars may not drive into buildings and take out lots of people, but they sure did some damage on the sidewalks.
Forget the fact that a teacher with a handgun is more likely to be killed by an automatic weapon than to stop it–how, exactly, is an armed teacher going to stop chemicals in cafeteria food or a car driving into a crowd of people? I generally appreciate your comments. However, guns do not belong in schools. Actually conduct background checks before handing out guns. Ban assault weapons. Give teachers doors that bolt shut in emergencies, push button access to police assistance, cameras, the list of things that would do more to protect our students is very, very long.