(Closed) Thank youuu President Obama

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Post # 152
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

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@HappySky7:  Umm…. I would have to disagree.

Sure, Obama is way cooler than Harper, as a person. But I am much more comfortable with the way our government is set up. Our health care is far and above the US and mat leave IS great.

And… I believe Canadian universities are some of the world’s best- Toronto, McGill? Top 20 in the world. Really. On a per capita basis, that’s a pretty decent ranking.

Just my two cents.

Post # 153
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

+1 Laurenskii  I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I have blue cross blue shield health insurance that I pay a pretty penny for and I have been to lady parts doctor 3-4 times in the last month and no copay for me! YAY!

Post # 154
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: September 2013

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@Aquaria:  I’m glad somebody understands what I’m saying and not trying to put words in my mouth.  Thank you.

Post # 155
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2013

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@red_rose:  Here is how I determine what a post is about: 1. Read the title. 2. Open it and read the first post.  

 

 

The ACA seems good so far for me…I’m paying $8 more a month for a better healthcare plan.  So I pay $100 a month.  My copays are lower, and I now have a PPO rather than an HMO.  

The fact that the ACA is so convoluted troubles me.  What’s really in those thousands of pages?  Is it really all related to healthcare?  

The concept of providing healthcare to all Americans, though, is one I fully support.  Those who think poor people are entitled are jerks who lack critical thinking skills.  Try putting yourselves in their shoes for a bit…see how easy it is to make a living at McDonalds.  

Finally, I read once that our taxes already go to helping hospitals pay for the expenses that those who cannot pay their medical bills run up.  Making sure that people have health insurance will allay those costs, so in the end having everyone insured is actually cheaper.  I don’t remember where I read this, though.

Post # 156
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Honey bee

There are always going to be people who are both helped by a system and hurt by one. OCare doesn’t help everyone, and have hurt some. Hopefully, the amount helped is far greater than those hurt. The old system helped and hurt people too– people with pre existing conditions, poor people, people reaching the cap… We can only strive for more people being helped, and the hope is OCare does this. Are there better ways? Yes, but not one we can get passed in our current system, and not one everyone can agree on. 

 

Post # 157
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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Post # 158
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

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@Hyperventilate:  I agree with a lot of what you’ve said but not the free BC = less babies = less welfare.   You’re certainly not the only person to draw such logical conclusions, but health insurance coverage alone won’t get you from free bc to less babies, just like it won’t get you to saving $ from less frequent ER use because people will go to the PCP instead.  Once people have insurance they have to know how to use it and where to access services.  The uneducated, low-income population who are not using BC and popping out babies, as well as the people who go to ERs for every ailment instead of their PCPs are likely not going to change these behaviors for a variety of reasons – lack of education, lack of access to primary care, etc. etc. The approach to changing the system and realizing cost savings requires a much more comprehensive approach and complete culture change.  

Post # 159
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2011

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@peachacid:  wonderful! thats normally how I determine what posts are about also! (But ill admit i would prefer to have a idea based on the title alone.) But a PP (the one to whom I was responding) told people to not even open a thread if they didn’t like what it was about… And then found it necessary to insult people for having to open a thread like this (one without a clear subject in the title) to figure out what it’s about!

i don’t mean to thread jack so much; I just can’t stand people getting away with either blatant insults, and/or terrible logic!

Post # 161
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: August 2013 - Brookfield Zoo

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@EffieTrinket:  Just as an FYI, OK will have an Exchange in 2014, it just won’t be State run; it will be a Federally run Exchange.  Maybe because of this, they haven’t been advertising that much!  Open enrollment is 10/1 🙂

Post # 162
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2013

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@red_rose:  But seriously…it says Obama in the title…so it’s gonna be something political.  I think the conversation has gone pretty well, though.

Post # 163
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: February 2014

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@Double_rainbow:  I agree with you, our country is great, but Stephen Harper didn’t make it that way. He came into a pre-established system. I think he’s a complete tooooooool. and I love me some Obama! If you guys don’t like him, we’ll take him off your hands up here : )

Post # 164
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: November 1999

I would be interested to hear from the people who support paying more for other’s to have access to health care about their feelings on the fact that in the US the majority of diseases people suffer from are conditions that are preventable with making healthy lifestyle decisions.  

Everyone has a story about my neighbors mother’s brother with cancer who is benefiting from other people now paying for his care via the ACA, but the majority of people don’t suffer from rare diseases that they had NO control over in the first place. They suffer from diseases they brought on themselves through poor diet, smoking, not exercising, etc. etc. 

Post # 165
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

Having watched so many documentaries on the horror that is the US health system, I can only say one thing… Why in God’s name can’t you take a leaf out of Canada’s book? As a Brit I would once have been able to suggest you take a look at our NHS but as our conservative government is rapidly dismantling it,  I unfortunately have absolutely nothing to be proud about on behalf of my country any more. So yeah, go Canada! 

Post # 166
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Honey bee

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@MrsWBS:  It’s a good point, and it would be something I would support. Maybe people who are non-smokers should get an extra amount off their insurance or soemthing like that.

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