That's not how abortion works, Trump. (big ol' vent)

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Post # 62
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Busy bee

milena :  I made damn sure that my British husband voted in the June referendum… To be fair, I try to make sure he votes in all the elections he can and I try to do the same.

Post # 63
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: January 2017

Okay, but here’s where I’m a little bit confused. Wouldn’t a baby at 24-36 weeks be at least somewhat viable and able to be delivered via emergency C section? In the case of a mother having health problems, wouldn’t performing a C section on a potentially viable baby be a better alternative to a late term abortion? 

Not trying to be snarky, but this has always genuinely confused me when I see advocation for late term abortion. If it’s almost always due to medical reasons, wouldn’t a C section be just as practical to save the mother’s life? 

Post # 65
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Busy bee

cassidyrue : if the baby is healthy, this is often what is done. But if the mother is not healthy enough for a c-section or the fetus is incompatible with life, an abortion is pretty much the only option and doctors do not like to do major abdominal surgery for a fetus that cannot survive. Late term abortions are almost always due to the health of the fetus, despite what Clinton said. 

Post # 66
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Helper bee

cassidyrue : Look up the death of Savita Halappanavar. Her life would have been saved, had she been allowed to have an abortion/induction.

Sure, a normal baby may be viable before they are full term, but not every baby is even “somewhat” viable at 24-36 weeks. If a baby has gross abnormalities that are incompatible with life, that baby is not going to be “somewhat” viable at 24-36 weeks.

If the baby is completely normal and the only issue with the pregnancy is that the mother may develop health problems if she carries to term, there is no question that a c-section would be presented as the best option. You certainly hear about babies who are developmentally normal being born at 24 weeks and surviving, but generally when people are talking about babies being aborted late in the pregnancy for medical reasons, they are talking about babies with gross abnormalities.

Since you’re talking about c-section vs induction, you should know that a c-section is major abdominal surgery and a woman needs to take 6 to 8 weeks off of work to recover after a c-section. It’s not a simple procedure.

Additionally, once a woman is really late in her pregnancy, she is literally going to have to deliver what is there. It’s not like she can just take a pill and be done with the pregnancy. The whole ordeal is difficult emotionally, mentally, and physically–from the decision-making aspect to the procedure itself.

Post # 67
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: April 2016

cassidyrue :  In a perfect world most fetuses would be “somewhat” viable that late in the game. But in a perfect world none of this would ever come up in the first place. Shit happens. I would trust the woman and her doctor to make the best decision possible. As an untrained non-medical professional, sure we can say that we think the fetus would be viable. But honestly, we don’t know what we’re talking about. 

Post # 69
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: January 2017

milena :  Can you define what you mean by gross abnormalities? Are we talking about something like a Nick Vujicic scenario, or something more common like Down’s Syndrome? 

I get your point about a C section being a major surgery…I also get that in Canada we have a better health care system that makes having a C section a better and more affordable option than it would be in the States.

(And FYI, most of us in Canada are convinced you guys are screwed either way you vote…so have fun with that one. I don’t envy you guys in the slightest 😁)

Post # 70
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Helper bee

Oh my gosh, not 30 minutes ago I got in an actual verbal altercation with a stranger in a grocery store food court because I couldn’t listen to him and his misogynist buddy talk about this any longer. They were talking about how great the debate was, how Donald stayed calm and cool and you could see Hillary getting more and more angry (ah whattt?). And then they got onto the ripping out babies in the 9th month and I couldn’t take it a minute longer, I looked at him and said politely (I know butting into a conversation is technically never polite) “That isn’t how it works” but he cut off the rest of my sentence yelling at me that I must know from experience and a host of choice names. I deadpanned him, I made the exact same face Hillary makes when Trump is talking, exact. 

Also, I’M IN CANADA!

Post # 71
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Helper bee

cassidyrue :  No, not Down Sydrome. I’m referring to things that are pretty much incompatible with life–vital organs (heart, lungs, kidneys, brain) not developing properly.

For example, Potter Syndrome: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24844532/ns/health-pregnancy/t/when-there-no-good-choice/#.WApQVugrLb0

ETA–If you read the article, you should know that Dr. Tiller was murdered by an anti-abortion extremist. Doctors who perform these procedures are literally putting their lives on the line.

Post # 72
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2013

cassidyrue :  Generally they will be things like the baby is missing half it’s brain or something like myelomeningocele even, where the parents might decide (once they find out at 20-24 weeks) they don’t want to put their child through the suffering that their life would be.  I don’t think most people understand that it can take many many weeks (and these weeks or months that it takes usually start between 12-20 weeks because most issues cannot be seen until then) to get a final diagnosis or determination on the issues and the quality of life.  And obviously, some cases are worse than others even within the same diagnosis.  Women are NOT going around routinely aborting a fetus with down syndrome at 30 weeks.  And let’s be honest, later term abortions are not common at all and there are only a handful of places that will do them (and to the tune of like $25k) so pretending women are going out and using this as birth control is completely inaccurate and harmful. 

Post # 75
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Helper bee

Why do we have to keep talking about this guy ? 

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