(Closed) The US Government has officially shut down

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Post # 213
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2011 - Bed & Breakfast

@MrsWBS:  Our plan is to focus on the many projects we need to do around the house while we are off. Today we took our old snowblower to the dealer to sell it on consignment and ordered the firewood we need for the winter. Tomorrow we are selling some scrap metal we have and making a run to the county dump in an effort to clean out our garage. Our goal is to actually be able to park a vehicle in there! That would be awesome. ๐Ÿ™‚ Then we’ll have 3 cords of wood delivered that we will have to stack on our racks. We also have a deck project we started a few weekends ago that needs to be finished, the basement needs to be insulated, and the hot water pipes need to be insulated too. We already have the materials for all of these projects, and we just haven’t had the time. So we’re taking advantage of having some time on our hands to make our home more efficient and liveable.

Post # 214
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@turnanewleaf: 

@Atalanta:  

Not sure if either of you are federal employees, but when you’re sworn in and take the oath of office to be a government employee, you basically relinquish your right to protest (even if it’s over your own job) or engage in political activity lest you be fired.

So a lot of us can’t exactly go stomping on Washington in protest because we’ll be fired if we’re ever allowed to work again. (This, sadly, is the reason I haven’t been able to go to a lot of the Occupy or Pro-Gay Marriage protests in the city *frown*)

Post # 215
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

@icanhearyousmile:  but that’s the point if ALL of the employees did it plus all the other people who aren’t effected but believe it is wrong there is no way you’d all lose your jobs, no way.  It’s just that no one does.

I had no idea you guys aren’t allowed to protests though.  that’s absolue BS.  Thought that was a right, though I know in practice it is not.

The other reason I heard on a show I watch is becasue really the govenment has not shut down.  Lets be honest here, this is not effecting very many people in the grand scheme of things.  It’s not effecting me one bit.  If they had actually shut down the government then people might get all up in arms cause absolutly nothing would work and then even the precious congressmen would be effected.  So that’s another reason people aren’t protesting cause they aren’t really effected.  If they had shut down the government this think would have been resolved in 10 minutes.

Post # 216
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@Atalanta:  Have you tried to go to, say, Census.gov to look at statistics, NOAA.gov to get the weather, NASA.gov for updates about Curiousity (who btw isn’t being monitored anymore. Poor nugget!)? Nothing works. NPS doesn’t work, NIST doesn’t work, etc.

It’s dumb. I was in class today and we couldn’t get information to complete an assignment because NASA and USGS are in charge of all geographical and remote sensing data.

A lot of people are affected – not only 800,000 employees, but contractors and hourly workers who conduct private business on federal property. And it’s not just here in the DC area. My agency alone has 8 regional offices across the country, and I know many, many other agencies do as well. I drove by NSA this morning on my way to class and the police had it barricaded so nobody could get in. I have a friend at home who has been furloughed and is the sole breadwinner because her husband is at home with their 2 month old baby. She is going to sell her husband’s car for rent. And another little nod to the Curiousity Rover not being monitored – JPL is in California. None of them are working. It’s not a regional thing, it’s a nationwide thing.

They can try to say that not that many people are effected all they want but it’s simply not true.

And yeah, we can’t protest. To protest on a political platform would basically mean we’re committing an act AGAINST the government, which we cannot do as employees. We can’t even have political stickers on our cars or we’ll be asked to have them either removed or to bring a different vehicle.

ETA: Think of all the people who are counting on government services: USDA/FHA loans to buy a house, Food Stamps, Social Security, Medicaire, etc., that can’t get services now. It affects even those who are not employed BY the government but need assistance from them in some way. What about all the people that can’t close on their house and have nowhere to live? What about the elderly who only receive their SS checks as their income each month? What about the minimum wage earning single mom who relies on Food Stamp assistance to help her feed her children? What about the people who do hurricane and weather research that help monitor tropical storms and hurricanes this time of year – the ones who bring us warnings and who make it possible to have first responders to emergencies? What about those in Colorado who need flood relief? What if there’s an outbreak, where will the CDC be? It’s not just employees, here.

Post # 217
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Newbee
  • Wedding: December 2014

@Scc6a:  I know this is not going to sit well in this community but I am who I am.

this is an issue on BOTH sides both r & d are still getting paid it is the private citizen that is on the loosing side if the democrats are feeling so ill over this perhaps as a sign of good faith they should give up their salaries while this is sorted out however they won’t because they too are greedy bastards along with Obama .. the whole hill is corrupt! So basically, all of them are whiny little brats.

Post # 219
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: November 1999

@icanhearyousmile:  People are still getting food stamps SS medicare.  etc.  If these stopped I really think people would protest.

You don’t really have to explain all who is being affected to me, that really wasn’t my point. I think you see it more being in DC though especially since you know so many people in govent jobs.  But all you said didn’t have much with my point.  That if EVERYTHING shut down then things would get solved ASAP and then noone would have to be furloughed and def not for weeks!  If it completly shut down coorporations would be up in arms, and you know how politicians love to listen to coorporations and even other countries would press on the US since it would be effecting them as well.

I mean what is going to end this?  The reps either give in or obama does and niether seem to be, right?  Or is there another ending?

So I mean somehting has to give if you guys arn’t allowed to protest and for the vast mojority it is just not too pressing, I mean I havn’t even heard of the panda cam before it was shut down.  I’m still recieving my mail, I can go to the library, kids are going to school, planes are flying ect.

 

Post # 220
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@TwoCityBride:  

@peachacid:  

Wait a second… I don’t understand why folks are pointing the sole finger at “one faction” of “one party” – when allegedly our President determined that certain parts of the “law of the land” can be exempt, and apparently, our Congress (?fact check?) determined that it would not apply to them. Why is it okay for them to make these decisions, but not okay for certain Representatives to say, defund or delay?

I don’t get it. If the law is the law is the law, then it should have been implemented as passed – not with a bunch of exceptions. Dems don’t get to play around and then point the blame at the “wackadoodles”, In My Humble Opinion.

 

Post # 221
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

Not sure if either of you are federal employees, but when you’re sworn in and take the oath of office to be a government employee, you basically relinquish your right to protest (even if it’s over your own job) or engage in political activity lest you be fired.

@icanhearyousmile:  yes! Though I have been told that I am allowed to protest on issues that do not pose a conflict of interest to my specific work as long as I do not openly advocate anything within my office/agency. I can go to pro/anti-gay marriage protests, animal rights rallies, etc.

I am considered essential and will be receiving my paychecks on time as scheduled, so as much as this situation angers me I am certainly not going to go protest and possibly lose my job that is still secure.

Do you drive past the main NSA headquarters to go to school? I work on Fort Meade so it seems that we may be in the same area.

@Atalanta:  I can see how it seems like no one is being affected if you aren’t near a lot of government offices. Growing up and living in MD (well now I’m in PA) it is literally like every other person you know is a federal employee. I know more feds than non-govt workers. Here it really does seem like everyone is struggling with this.

Post # 222
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

@codysgirl16:

1. That along with the tax on medical devices has bipartisan support, because one thing democrats and republicans can agree on is kissing the asses of big business and worshipping the feet of the super rich business owners and corporations. Surely you aren’t surprised about that exception?The Republicans are parroting that tired line when they approved of it in the first freaking place. Furthermore as President it’s a power that he legally has, so I don’t get what you mean about follwing the law.

 

2.The Tea Party Faction has also been clear that they are gunning for John Boehner and his back is againist the wall and his speakership is clearly on the line. If he actually brought a clean measure to the house to vote on it would pass, probably at the expense of his speakership. In order to keep it in case other republicans flip, he would have to go crawling to the democrots for support. The Moderate Republicans aren’t pushing for him to do that yet, and until they do, Tea Party faction will be driving this bus.

3. Congress are not exempt long story short check out this link http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/, basically saying that is another talking point and it’s them blowing hot air. Just like offering to forego their salaires when they can afford it, and a lot workers who living paycheck to paycheck cannot.

4. If they were defunding and delaying over actual issues with the budget it would be easier to stomach. Republicans are very good at getting their ways, and the spending cuts they wanted and having democrats numbers come down to where they wanted, so they were sucessful. Which they won fair and square because we all know most democrats lack a freaking spine. However defunding the government over this, and threaten not to raise our debt ceiling which would have a bigger world wide repercussions is mindblowing and excuse my french but beyond fucking insane!

The only other thing I have to add is this President should have been holding meetings with great urgancy and making his positions crystal clear. Perhaps if he had they would have known not to take it this far.

Post # 223
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Newbee
  • Wedding: December 2014

@TwoCityBride: 

The house has is attempting to pass separate continuining resolutions that fund each dept. separately of the govt except for the Obama care law, but the Dems have refused to vote on it. They want this shut down for political reasons. You are right as far as exception for congress on Obama care except for the fact that their payments would be heavily subsidized by the US tax payer to the point where it is almost free, let’s always not forget the (majority) 65%+ believe that they should not raise the debt ceiling to force the govt to spend within its means.

Post # 224
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

@Digidoll:  I heard that they have proposed about three things.

 

Does it really make sense to cherry pick and pass and fund this and that based on the fact people are livid about it? If they want to defund the government they have to take the heat for it, and recogize that their actions have consequences.

 

I also am concerned about the fact that this isn’t purely altruistic on their part because what it also does is decrease the pressure on them and give them more wiggle room to continue this on for a longer time.  Essentially it’s basically another negotiating tactic. As far as I’m concerned they are in the wrong and they have no right to be making any demands and attempting to negotiate anything that doesn’t have to do with the numbers and budget concerns. Which is an arguement they have already won, which means they have no reason to not fund the government.

 

I think by funding certain programs it’s great in the short term for a small number of  people, but counterproductive as it’s would allow them more time to continue what they are doing, which would be horrible for the millions of workers(I’m estimating this based on people who aren’t considered “federal employees” but their jobs are centered around the government).My biggest issues here is that the end goal wouldn’t be to fund the government, it would be to delay or if possible defund The Affordable Care Act, which again isn’t included in this budget

 

I also think it doesn’t make sense because the clock is ticking and it’s going to be October 18th before we know it. Funding three things today is great for a couple people. I’m not so sure about the national parks. Although I think the only thing I can’t say no to is NIH as it’s literally a life or death situation for a lot of people. So I think within a few day if things don’t change they should do that one. As for everything esle  next week or before 18th perhaps I don’t know.

 

Post # 225
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: November 2013

@adoc86:  I drive by the National Business Park on the 295 side of NSA. I have friends at Ft. Meade, small world! Do you honestly commute down here from PA every day? Ew. I want to beat my head into my steering wheel on a normal day and I don’t go hardly as far north as you’d have to. *wince*

 @Atalanta:  I see what you’re saying, and I have read that there will be delays with funding of medicare/aid and other social services, but I suspect at this point it could be only speculation, I don’t know. But a PP linked a good article that showed how many people are furloughed out of each agency. And the effects that those agencies’ services have on the people of the country. If everyone affected by this were to protest, it’d probably get some things done…but since there are so many people out there going, “Government shuts down and nobody cares, life goes on, look at these people whining about their paychecks, we’re just saving money, it doesn’t matter to/affect us” then there are just as many heads in the sand not willing to stand up for their neighbors and put pressure on the govt.

My money on when this is going to end is after the 17th – the Treasury will run out of money and something will have to be done about the debt ceiling or else the economy is going to tank. I think the Repubs are just going to dig in and grab Obama by the balls and basically say, “Repeal the ACA or we’re going to let this spiral us into the shitter since we hold the power to help or hurt this country.” So I don’t anticipate working the entire month of October, tbh. I think the real crunch is going to come when it’s time to shit or get off the pot with the debt ceiling. That’s when the entire world is really going to be staring us in our faces (not that they aren’t already, but it will be even moreso) and putting pressure on the government to do something.

ETA: Schools and libraries are state run ๐Ÿ˜› Of course you can do those things. Planes are still flying but a lot of FAA has been furloughed, and I think TSA has also taken a hit. And the mail..they are some weird quasi government establishment that I don’t really understand. I’m not sure about them or their status at all, but I did get my mail today so they’re still working – not sure if they’re getting paid, though. That’s part of the issue – essential employees are working, but they’re not working for pay right now. ๐Ÿ™

Post # 226
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2013

@Digidoll:  The debt ceiling doesn’t force the government to spend within its means.  Raising the debt ceiling will allow the government to pay its bills…it’s already said it will spend the money.  

We’re one of the only countries with a debt ceiling, according to the news tonight.  We’re the ONLY country who uses the debt ceiling as a means to political gain.  This country is so ridiculous right now.  I don’t see any good coming of any of this…it’s just going to get worse.  =(

Post # 227
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

@icanhearyousmile:  Haha, yup. I leave the house at 4:45am and get to work an hour later so its not too bad. I know so many people that commute 2-2.5 hours in traffic to DC everyday! I cannot even begin to imagine that. If I were to leave any later than 5am though I would definitely hit traffic and increase my driving time. Since I get off at 2:30 I end up missing most of the traffic on the way home, too. I do telework though so I’m only making this drive every other day.

Funny thing is that before this I lived in MD and it used to take me 8-9 minutes to get to work ๐Ÿ˜› But then we started shopping for houses and decided to move farther out so that we could get more for our money. I don’t regret it at all, but if I had to drive to the office 5 days a week I don’t know if I’d have the same feelings on the matter ๐Ÿ™‚

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