(Closed) The WHO finally called out on their inaction!

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    The WHO was ineffective and useless during this time

    The WHO handled the crisis very well

  • Post # 46
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    Sugar bee

    In the beginning of all of this the WHO’s advice and guidance was lamentable. It was awful. It was wrong. It was handled so very poorly and the entire attitude in the very beginning was appalling. 

    That said, had they just come right out and said “lock everything down NOW” without the pandemic actually gaining ground and citizens of the world actually understanding the severity of it, the amount of civil unrest would be exponentially more intense than it is now. ESPECIALLY in an armed country like the US.

    It took over 2 MONTHS for people to grasp what was ACTUALLY happening and the speed of which it was happening, does anyone actually think all these people would have willingly let everything shut down for “just the flu,” as was so widely touted everywhere. There are compilations of news broadcasts as recently as first week of March downplaying the virus and the consequences of it – both physical and economical. 

    Sure, the powers that be sucked at getting the severity of the situation understood, but citizens didn’t want to understand either. The data and the info has been out there since Jan, people just didn’t bother looking for it. 

    Now everyone has changed their tune and it’s all “stay home, save lives,” which is ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do, but the people shouting that the loudest are also the ones that were shouting “it’s just the flu” just as loud. 

    …can lead a horse to water…

    Mike Ryan of the WHO said that the biggest problem in society was the fear to make a mistake, which is exactly the mindset the WHO was operating under originally. Had they taken everything more seriously in Feb, perhaps the governments would have too – but no one wanted to catastrophically alter life-as-we-know-it without solid proof of the pandemic – unfortunately the price for that was 82k lives and counting.

     

    Post # 48
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    Bumble bee
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    If you put the WHO and Trump in the same sentence and ask who’s more responsible for the chaos in the US, it’s Trump.

    Fuck. It’s Trump. No questions.

    Only nations who listened to medical advice before they listened to the advice of economists are succeeding at flattening the curve before catastrophe strikes. Trump, unfortunately, did not do this. 

    I am so thankful that I live in one of those countries. Scomo, you fucked it with the bushfires, but I take my hat off to you for COVID. Rock on big fulla.

    Post # 49
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    Bumble bee
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    Okay so this is complicated for me, as a resident of Taiwan.

    I loathe the WHO. They refused to share information with Taiwan as the virus was beginning, since they capitulate to China and view Taiwan as a rogue state. Very, very fortunately our vice president is an esteemed epidemiologist who was minister of health during the SARS epidemic, and so the country was able to take control fairly effectively without assistance. Nonetheless, five Taiwanese residents have died so far. Would they be dead if the WHO had shared information? There’s no way of knowing, but having information withheld certainly didn’t help them.

    Additionally, only five people have died here. We were initially expected to have them most cases outside of China. We have under 400 to date. Taiwan can and does want to help in this crisis. And not only has the WHO refused to share information Taiwan is offering, their representative actually hung up the phone on a reporter who asked about it directly.

    We are a nation of 23 million people. We have our own government, our own passport and our own constitution. But because China is an obsessed ex who can’t handle being dumped, the WHO is refusing to allow us the resources to protect ourselves or others.

    If the WHO cannot be non-partisan in a crisis, what’s the point?

    Post # 51
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    Busy bee
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    Brideordie : if you are living in the world of fairytales where all people have money and living well then I agree with you. Do you ever think what will happen to those who poor enough to live day by day? They are the one you would kill first when closing everything.

    I don’t think this is anybody fault, no one and NO ONE prepared for this. Some countries are better and some suffer greatly, but everybody is in hard place and doing whatever best they think for their country. But if you need find someone to blame, thats pitiful. Better to find something better to do to help those in needs, or held a charity (anything better that what your govt do).

    Post # 52
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    Buzzing bee
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    Newgirl87 :  absolutely it is someone’s fault. The WHO took too long to announce this as a pandemic. Information didn’t come freely from China and pressure wasn’t put on them by WHO. In China had acted 3 weeks earlier instead of concealing the information, none of the world would be in this situation. 

    Post # 54
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    Sugar bee

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    Brideordie :  You’re not wrong, but you have to also remember that the WHO declared a global pandemic for swine flu, and Ebola, neither were as widespread, deadly or damaging on a global scale as originally thought they would be. So, the hesitation was quite obvious with the fear that history would repeat itself with Covid-19. Except that this IS more widespread, deadly and damaging than swine flu or Ebola – again hindsight. 

    At the end of the day, even the powers that be are humans who didn’t want their lives upended any more than you, I, or anyone else. 

    Can look at things so many ways, and hindsight is always 20/20. One thing that is fact: people wouldn’t have taken kindly to shut downs back in Feb. since even now, many struggle with it across the world. 

    And you always have to remember that the States is ARMED. It would turn into a civil war to take drastic, draconian measures without the people understanding and SUPPORTING those measures. Even now, it’s borderline in many places, and the pandemic is obvious. So, expecting someone (Trump) to shut things down drastically, and without warning/explanation is just plain stupid. Gun stores in certain states, like Texas, are considered essential. This is their second amendment right as far as they are concerned, and they aren’t wrong. Civil rights are the backbone of this country, which is not the case for many other countries so situations like this can’t even be compared. And without people understanding the situation and WHY these measures or others are paramount, the situation turns from a country united against a pandemic to a country divided over civil rights while riddled with a pandemic. 

    But let’s play it out: The WHO declared a global pandemic due to COVID-19 on Feb 1, 7 days after Wuhan shut down. Every country around the world shut down, closed their borders, and halted the virus in its tracks, confining it to Asia. Then what? It would still take 3-4weeks minimum of these lock down measures for it to no longer be virulent enough to spread once the lockdowns were lifted. So the entire world pauses for 4 weeks. 

    Then it’s decided this virus “isn’t that bad,” and the pandemic declaration was too extreme. How does every single country in the world recover from that at once? You can’t just hit “unpause” and life continues unaltered. 

    No one would ever trust an organization like the WHO again – “remember what happened last time, destroyed the global economy and it turned out to be nothing!”

    There really is no “right way” to tell 7.8 billion people all across the world, with different governments, economies, etc etc that something is going to alter life catastrophically and drastic measures should be taken NOW. People have to see that for themselves, understand and accept that for themselves, and then support those measures – unless you’re in a communist country like China and your people have no civil rights.

    And therein lies the catalyst – civil rights. Who gives ANY organization or government of the “free world” the right to essentially “suspend” the rights of an individual? Even now, people are respecting lock downs in many countries because they CHOOSE to. 

    It’s all more complicated than a handful of people not wanting to risk their careers. 

    Post # 55
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    Sugar bee

    Also, everyone has to remember that this is a NOVEL virus. No one knew – and still largely doesn’t know or understand – all aspects of this virus. It’s easy to look back 2-3 months into a pandemic and say “the virus is xyz” but with the very limited information known about the virus at the time (thanks China) it is incredibly difficult to make solid, educated decisions about solutions. Especially when you’re talking of shutting down 7.8 billion people. 

    The virus could have mutated week 2 of all this and been no more than a common cold. No one could tell where, when or how fast it was going to explode, or if it was ever going to explode. It had all the characteristics of a pandemic but the information was so limited. Unfortunately for us, it was exponential. Only China would have had an inkling and insight of that knowledge, and obviously they chose to lie about it. 

    Post # 56
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    Buzzing bee
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    milaknot :  Oh this is that poster. 😑

    Post # 57
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    Busy bee
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    missviolet92 :  I’m not debating those who seek someone to be blame rather than doing something to help =)

    Post # 58
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    Bee Keeper
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    I’m pretty sure even after the WHO officially categorized covid 19 as a pandemic Trump was still saying it wasn’t an issue in the US and it would be gone within a week.  He hardly has a leg to stand on.

    It seems like some people just want someone to take the fall rather than the fault being a general lack of preparedness. The WHO called it a public health emergency of international concern on the 30 Jan and officially labeled it as a pandemic around the 11 March. There isn’t a huge amount of time in between, it has to actually become a pandemic to be labeled a pandemic.  The idea that all these armchair scientists know more about a virus becoming a pandemic is laughable really. 

    it was obvious to ordinary citizens that was the only effective way of stopping the spread.

    You keep repeating this in different ways but why would ordinary citizens have any sort of comprehensive understanding on the best ways to contain a virus? Lets not give all these people shouting about closing the borders any more credit than the people who actually know what they are talking about on this.

    Plus from the start the WHO has been clear that it didn’t want countries to move from controlling the virus to mitigation, that meant strong contact tracing and “test, test, test” which the US didn’t do.  Don’t really see how the blame can now be pinned on the WHO.  

    Post # 59
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    Bumble bee

    I read an article about this, this morning and I did see myself agreeing with some stuff. If I take down the ‘china-centric’ stuff, blaming China only, claiming the virus being under control and his over all style of talking, I feel that at the core there was a valid point about WHO and their actions. And it should be discussed so that we are prepared for the next pandemic. I don’t know if other leaders has called out on it, but this far I have only seen Trump saying it on the news. What leaders have done/do with the information from WHO is a totally different thing.

    I was on a mumsnet type forum and in mid January there was a thread about what if the virus in Wuhan is more widespread and if we should start preparing. Regular people were already concerned but officials hadn’t yet done anyhting to inform public.

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