Post # 31
To the folks who keep saying that a cavapoo is less likely to have health issues – I really don’t think you’re right about that. Many breeds have typical health problems. GOOD breeders screen their dogs for these specific issues and if you cross two dogs who are proven to be healthy (and whose parents, grandparents etc are also proven to be healthy), you’re less likely to get a sick dog. Labradors, e.g. often have hip displasia. So do GSD. Only a minute number of “breeders” who “breed” crossbreeds do screenings as extensive as with GOOD breeders of purebred dogs. When you now take a random GSD and a random labrador, you might end up with a healthy pup or one that develops hip problems within a few months of being born. If you cross a pug (short head, elongated soft palate) with a Jack Russell Terrier (strong hunting instinct), you MIGHT get a dog with a healthy breathing tract and no hunting instinct OR you might get one with massive breathing problems and a massive hunting instinct. With crossbreeds there just is no way to know!
So if you cross a poodle (higher risk of thyroid issues, hip dysplasia, epilepsy) and a cavalier (syringomelia, heart problems), the pup might end up with none of these hereditary problems, some of them or even all of them.
Post # 32
sugarcloud : we have two dogs that we adopted through a rescue (they pulled them from the shelter) 5+ years ago and are incredibly sweet dogs. One was even shot and lost his leg as a result. All he wants in life are belly rubs.
You don’t have to adopt straight from a shelter to rescue a dog. You can go through a rescue and and their volunteers will have already worked with the dogs and can speak to their personality. Further to that, they allow people to foster and get a feel for the dogs on your own. You can find a dog that works well for your family.
My parents just got their first dog – a gorgeous King Charles cavalier puppy from a breeder (they are good friends of my parents). Honestly, for some strange reason my dad was against adopting even though it was a choice totally I spited by our two dogs. And he has since joked he’d trade us the puppy for our dogs because they’re just so easy and well behaved.
King Charles Cavalier puppy for attention. He looks like a literal toy but has an accident in the house every 20 minutes:
But also, my Shepherd mixes, who were both potty trained as housebroken when we adopted them. One of them is a blue Merle spaniel who gets a lot of attention from the most devoted purebred lovers:
Post # 33
We adopted a lovely 8-week-old puppy who grew into a nervous wreck around our children. Her temperament ended up being totally unsuitable for young children, despite being socialized and trained. We felt horribly guilty and a failure, but the agency re-homed her with a family with no children.
After that lesson, we decided to only adopt older dogs whose personalities were already established. Our awesome Great Pyrenees mix was 1.5 when we got her, and is the happiest, sweetest, gentlest dog ever. She loves our four boys, and enjoys all the play they can dish out. I think she thinks they’re dogs, too, the way they roll around with her.
While I love looking at puppies and think they’re the cutest thing ever, I would never get another one. They require so much work (yeah, I got up all night long with four babies, don’t need that again) and you can never know their temperament.
Post # 34
aoifeo : agree with developed personalities. Ours were both “older” and were super sweet dogs. They just got sweeter as they got older.
the one who was shot initially wasn’t great around kids (not even all kids. Just some) – but he had a lot going on. Shot, amputated leg, parasite, heart worms. Etc. Once we took care of all those, he became a lot more easygoing.
Post # 35
The whole hybrid vigor thing isn’t really proven in dogs as far as I know. The major difference is that it’s very easy to document that an AKC pure bred dog has x issue, where as what do you do for a mutt? “I’m guessing golden x boxer, hip dysplasia.” How do you document that scientifically? Most rescues/shelters are guessing on the mixes anyway, and often labeling them something more attractive to get them adopted (i.e. boxer mix versus pit).
I’m sure many people have success stories of designer dogs, but I know a /lot/ of people with dogs that are a hot damn mess. There is absolutely no guarantee on temperament, coat type or health issues when you’re mixing breeds. You may get lucky and get the best of both worlds, or you may double down and end up with all the bad things from both breeds.
Post # 36
I have a friend who got a puppy from a breeder so that he could train him into the temperament he wanted. Which makes zero sense. Sure, training goes a LONG way, but at the end of the day some dogs are just awesome and some dogs are just assholes – same as people. That’s the main reason I adopted from a rescue organization; we got to meet our dog when he was 7 months old and we got a good feel for his natural temperament PLUS he was still young enough to easily train. Best of both worlds in my opinion. Especially if you have kids or plan on having them during the dogs life knowing your individual dogs natural temperament ahead of time is super important! Our dog is insanely gentle with our daughter and other kids – we sometimes joke that he’s TOO nice to her because then she gets around other dogs and gets mad when the act like normal dogs (like stealing her snacks that we repeatedly told her to keep up at the table lol).
Post # 37
I don’t have a Cavapoo but I have a 2 year old Cavachon (Cavalier × Bichon). I also have a 4 year old Mauxie (Maltese × Long-haired Dachshund). So they’re both designer dogs. Both from breeders. Both beautiful, lovely pups who get along with each other and with us and I love them so much.
I have had some health issues with my Cavachon. She has a recessed vulva and this ups the chance for UTIs and that UTI developed into a bladder stone that needed to be removed and that surgery cost nearly double what we paid the breeder when we got her.
I agree with everyone who says you have to find a responsible breeder. My Mauxie has had 0 health issues and he came from a different breeder than my Cavachon. I also DNA tested my Cavachon because she doesn’t look like your typical Cavachon and found that she’s approx. 15% something else which means her Bichon mom wasn’t 100% purebred (DNA showed her dad is 100% Cavalier).
I would never give my Cavachon up and can’t imagine life without her but I do think that if I had to do it all over again I would have either adopted a designer puppy or done more due dilligence about the breeder I used. I think I just got lucky with my Mauxie (who is 2 years older).
Post # 38
So I’m on team adopt but understand that good breeders have their value. However, anyone that breeds these designer dogs I cannot in good conscious consider them a ‘good breeder’. There is zero AKC standing for designer dogs, meaning the single only reason they are breeding is for cash. Which is a backyard breeder. I don’t believe that people do diligent research and honestly it’s the animals that suffer for our greed and want for a cute dog.
Post # 39
- Wedding: December 2017 - Courthouse
I hate to pile on but I’m super passionate about animals namely dogs.
I would really try to find a shelter or rescue organization that has a breed you’re looking for. I think a lot of people assume they’re looking for too specific of a breed to find at a shelter which is 100% not true. There’s actually a lot of “designer” breeds that end up getting dropped off at shelters so it’s very likely that with some research you’ll find what you’re looking for.
And also, dogs at a shelter or rescue are just as likely to have the same emotional or attachment issues as a dog from a breeder. So honestly there’s no sure fire way to find a dog that doesn’t have some sort of behavioral issues. It’s all a little bit of a gamble.
I would start on this website. You can search adoptable dogs in your area by breed, age, sex, etc. Its an awesome tool to use if you’re just kind of looking and don’t know what you’re looking for! I’ll also add that if you buy a rescue pup, you’ll spend less money which you can then use towards training if that’s something you’re interested in. My husband adopted our pitbull at 8 weeks old for like $250 and then put $1200 of extensive “boot camp” style training into her. She knows a lot of commands, can walk without a leash, listens super well and is seriously the best girl ever. Just some ideas to throw out there.
Here’s the website:
Post # 40
Thank you everyone for you input and the photos of your gorgeous dogs as well! I have looked into things a lot more and I have decided that I wont be buying a cavoodle given all the risks and potential puppy mill issues that are associated with mixed breeds. It’s so crazy, when I started looking into these puppies I thought wow dodgs have gotten so expensive!! But researching more I’m seeing that it is these designer breeds that have astronomical prices and that alone make me super uncomfortable about the intentions of people who breed them. I am going to look into the foster/rescue route, though I admit I am still struggling with my own preconceived ideas about it (which I know are probably illogical), anyway all that to say that the whole puppy idea is on hold for the time being!!