(Closed) this woman is a bad ass

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  • Post # 77
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    @peachacid:  There are liberal pro-lifers out there as well

    Post # 78
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    @fishbone:  I didn’t say it was an easy choice. I said it’s a choice that is happening too much. I can’t get on board with the ” our rights are being restricted ” argument when a staggering number of women are using the right to abort.

    Post # 79
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @MissCalifornia:  Thank you. It drives me nuts when people say, “But you should know well before then that you want to get an abortion!” and you hit the nail on the head when you said most of those babies are wanted babies but there is something terribly wrong going on. I just wish I could get everyone to read this article that from a few years ago: http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/book/companion.asp?id=20&compID=39&page=1 It is a heartbreaking decision that no woman wants to make, but what is the alternative? The mother being forced to carry a baby for months who she knows will certainly die within hours of being born? I can’t even imagine not having the choice to decide what I want to do for my unborn child and myself in that situation.

    @MsW-to-MrsM: There will always be stories like yours about people who have gotten multiple abortions, but maybe try to think of it this way: the main purpose of abortion being legal and accessible is not to protect the people who use it as a form of birth control, which I don’t like either, but to protect the women whose own lives are endangered by their pregnancies, who find out that there is something irreparably wrong with the fetus they are carrying, who became pregnant through rape, etc. Should a woman be forced to go through pregnancy that is basically doomed? Or a pregnancy that was forced upon them without consent?

    Post # 80
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    @Scc6a:  I am not miltantly pro-life. I see the need for exceptions. I am not necessarily for an out-right ban, though I do not identify as pro-choice.

    Post # 81
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2012

    @MsW-to-MrsM:  I get that and I understand, I just think it’s difficult to create an effective system of exceptions, i.e. one that would prevent some people from being able to get abortions but allow others and have it be fair and be sure that the people who really need them will be able to get them.

    Post # 83
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: November 2012

    For me, the issue isn’t about when life begins. Even if life begins at conception, why should that matter? The old saying goes something like “your rights end where my nose begins”, or as the hypothetical case may be in this discussion, “your rights end where my uterus begins.” If a fetus is a life, then let’s say that some life is worth more than others. An unwanted fetus is worth as much concern as a rabbit or something. In the unlikely event that a woman was having abortions for fun, I would see it as someone going around shooting field mice for sport. Pretty callous of me, but after a little of thinking about it, I decided to offer my two cents. I’m not saying this to be inflammatory, I’m just offering my perspective.

     

    Post # 84
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2015

    It really irks me how some people care too much what others do with their own lives when it has no affect on them whatsoever. Too many judgy mcjudgersons out there imo.

    Post # 85
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: October 2013 - Vine Street Church

    In our household, we consider the sides to be pro-choice and anti-choice, not pro-choice and pro-life. Being pro-choice does not make one pro-death — it makes a person realize they have no business intervening in someone else’s life.

     

    I’ve had an abortion and I’m proud of it. I was five weeks pregnant and used the abortion pills. We aren’t ready for a child yet, and even with careful charting, we messed up. I’m on medication that causes birth defects, so we made the decision to have an abortion. I’m glad I live in an area that gives me a choice in the matter.

     

    Texas makes me sick. North Dakota makes me sick. South Carolina makes me sick. Arkansas makes me sick. Ohio makes me sick. Men thinking they know what’s best for  women makes me completely livid.

    Post # 86
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    Bumble bee

    @fishbone:  +1

    I think prostitution should be legal.  I have no moral or ethical objections to prostitution.  My problems with prostitution all stem from the way the current system (which exists due to the illegality of the work) puts the male and female workers at a disadvantage, and often in danger.  If prostitution were legalized and treated like just any other job, it would be safer for everyone involved.

    I am torn on suicide, because I do think it is terrible when someone kills themself.  But I also believe that people ultimately should have the right to do whatever they want with their own body and life.  I do think that we should have systems in place to identify potential victims of suicide (not currently adequate), and provide assistance (far from adequate), and perhaps evaluate diminished capacities.  But if a person is found to NOT have a chemically diminished capapcity, and still wants to end their life (either because they have a terminal illness, or have a non-terminal condition that causes them so much pain that life is agony), I do not feel that it is my right to stop them.

     

    Post # 87
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: August 2013

    It doesn’t matter if what you have is alive or a human or a baby or what. It just doesn’t.

    We have case precedents in this country stating that no person has the obligation to donate blood, tissues, or organs against their will, and has the right to refuse consent OR withdraw consent at any point, even if the possible recipient will die as a result. I think this applies perfectly. The fetus needs to receive blood and tissue to live, it depends on the woman for survival, but as a grown woman, her rights come first and she has the right to withdraw her “consent” to continue supplying it with her tissues, even if that means it dies. The only way to discontinue that supply is through abortion. 

    Therefore, even if you think it’s morally wrong, legality is another issue entirely and seems clear.

    Post # 88
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

    @CarolF:  how on earth does society protect unborn sea turtles more than babies?! As a wildlife  biologist I find that highly dubious. If that were the case, we’d see burgeoning turtle numbers and sharply declining human populations, rather than the other way around. 

    If you’re talking about protecting egg-laying beaches, that is equivalent to protecting hospitals from people coming in and stomping on women in delivery and freshly birthed babies… which we do…

    Not to get all wrapped up in the details, but this sounds like a Fox News talking point with no basis in reality.

    Post # 89
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: July 2011

    Pro-life people should be labled as “anti-choice” instead. Pro-life seems like an inappropriate word because it should either be “anti-choice” or “pro-fetus-over-the-life-of-the-mother”. Pro life people are so quick to want to save the unborn clumps of cells but they don’t feel the same about women who are already born. Taking away abortion rights isn’t going to solve your “murder cries” and everyone lives happily shitting rainbows. Women will still get abortions even if they become illegal. Those women will suffer and many will likely die due to botched procedures or infection. Either way, someone dies.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    “Pro-life” is such BS in my opinion. You people want to “save lives” and stop “murdering” but don’t think as to how many women would die if abortion were to be made illegal. It just boggles my mind that “pro-lifers” claim they want to save lives…well the lives of the unborn. You don’t get to pick and choose who you save and call yourself a “pro-LIFE” person. People/Fetus’ are going to die either way. Women will resort to unsterile back-ally abortions and die that way or fetus’ will be aborted. You aren’t pro-life. You are ANTI-CHOICE. I hope I’m making it clear that “pro-life” is a bogus term and shouldn’t even be used. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    It’s truly comical how some claim abortion as being “murder” and they want to take it away to save “lives” but don’t find it hypocritical that many women will likely die even if abortion is illegal through improper back ally abortions just as it happened before. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Who are you kidding? You honestly think that women are just going to suddenly keep all the fetus’ because abortion is illegal? They will find a way to “coat hanger” it or carry it to term and toss the fetus into the river,garbage, or dumpster as soon as it’s born. LOVELY! Doesn’t get much better then pro-life lol.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     You can’t force your beliefs on anyone. Don’t like abortion? Don’t get one.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Maybe all the anti-choice people should spend more time getting sex education out there and doing something about the young women who don’t know much about birth control. 

     

    Good thing all the anti-choice people get a say in keeping their offspring. Heaven forbid we start forcing them to abort their fetus’ because we ya know, have too many children in foster homes as it is.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Post # 90
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: September 2015

    Some of the PP’s that have said they are pro-life have also expressed that they wouldn’t judge another woman for having an abortion. So in fact they are actually pro-choice.

    I don’t think anyone on here has stated that they are anti-choice? I could have missed something though…

    I think if you’re pro-life that doesn’t automatically makes you anti-choice.

    I am 110% pro-choice and believe abortions should be legal no matter what corner of this earth you live in.

     

    Post # 91
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: July 2012

    @lisaelanna:  I agree with a lot of what you said here

    The other parts of the bill require clinics to be certified for surgeries (which is essentially what an abortion is) and doctors to have a relationship with a hospital near enough that if something goes wrong they can get their patient to a hospital quickly enough to prevent further injuries.  I don’t know if the people in opposition to the bill have ever had surgery, but I have (recently), and I know that just having the procedure is scary enough without having to wonder whether or not the tools the doctor will use on you are clean, if the staff has the training to deal with unforseen circumstances or if there is a back up plan.

    True, this bill will make it more difficult for women in Texas to obtain abortions, but not because they’re being told not to.  Rather it will be because so many of the clinics are not of high enough quality to obtain the certifications (and who’s to say that they can’t up their standards and get certified).  So, what the opposition to this biil is saying is that convenient, nearby abortions are more important than having safe abortions. And, after seeing what Gosnell did to his patients in Pennsylvannia, I think we owe it to ourselves and our fellow women to protect our health and safety, regardless of whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice.

     

    I’m not completely sure how I feel about abortion but I do believe that simply making abortion illegal is not going to stop them from being performed. If a woman wants an abortion for whatever reason, she should be allowed to have it performed in a safe,sterile environment performed by certified medical professionals. I’m also not sure how comfortable I am about the government being involved in healthcare decisions of any kind. 

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