Post # 93
I’m responding before I read pages 2 and 3, so I apologize if this has been stated already.
It’s simply not true that clinics as they are are unsafe. The truth is that abortion is one of the safest medical procedures there is. So much safer than pregnancy and childbirth. The laws specifying that a clinic must have doorways X wide, etc. (TRAP laws), are specifically designed to be so onerous as to force the clinic to close. Nothing to do with women’s health. Regarding hospital admission, this is a big red herring too. Hospitals require that in order to have admission rights, the clinic must bring the hospital a minimum number of patients per year. Seeing that abortion is so safe, clinics wouldn’t qualify because they don’t have nearly enough patients who would need hospital care. These regulations have been litigated in other states, and courts have repeatedly struck them down. That’s what will happen in Texas too. None of this would be an issue if abortions were perfomed in general offices or hospitals, and not relegated to stand alone clinics. There are some places starting to incorporate abortion into their diverse practices, but it’s slow going.
And yes, the 20 week limitation is wrong too. No one waits that long, when abortion is more expensive and harder to get, just because she felt like it (though making abortions harder to get does force the woman to delay the procedure). For many fetal health issues, they are not detectable until 20 weeks. We have a good friend who used IVF to conceive twins. A boy and girl. They had to terminate after 20 weeks due to issues with both babies. Those babies were very, very wanted. But given that twin pregnancies are high risk as it is, it would have been very wrong to force the woman to put herself in danger for an additional 20 weeks to carry non-viable fetuses. I can only be grateful that this couple lived in a state that respects women. As someone about to have my second IVF transfer, I’m so so glad that my state is nothing like Texas!
Post # 94
Word play is all it is. How would you like an anti-choice ( aka pro-life ) to describe the two opposites as pro-murder and anti-murder?
Post # 95
Obviously my own stance on the issue impacts my feelings, but I think anti-choice is accurate without being inflamatory, whereas “pro-murder” is obviously inflamatory. Pro-“lifers” are against a woman’s legal right to choose, while those who are pro-choice are in no way pro-abortion. The spinoff thread is full of women who have said that they personally don’t think they could terminate an unplanned pregnancy, but they don’t think it should be illegal. Being in favor of the procedure remaining legal doesn’t mean we think pregnant woman SHOULD get abortions, only that we think they have the right to CHOOSE one. I don’t think the pro-“life” position has anything to do with being in favor of life. Illegal abortion = lots of clandestine procedures, and lots of dead women (with rich women traveling to where it’s legal). Liberal laws, including comprehensive sex ed, easy access to affordable contraception, and support for women and families (education, healthcare– you know, everything the GOP wants to slash) = less abortion. The policies pro-“life” politicians support will actually cause more death and poverty. I don’t see how that’s remotely pro-life.
Post # 96
absolutely agree 1000000%! Great response!
Post # 97
While I belive in a woman’s right to choose I constantly hear from teenagers & women that they had unprotected sex got pregnant & can’t take care of a baby so are getting an abortion. That is frustrating to hear. I understand rape, medical reasons & really failed birth control but using an abortion for birth control just rubs me wrong. I could never go through with it but I have a few friends who did & I was supportive as I said I believe it’s her choice. I just know some people take advantage. Went to school with a girl who had like 4 the girl just never used any birth control.
Post # 98
Abortion costs hundreds of dollars (never mind the hurdles and emotional toll), contraception can be cheap. If there are those rare women who would rather go through the trouble and expense of abortion rather than using cheap and easy contraception, I personally wouldn’t trust their judgement to parent a child. I certainly don’t think that those few irresponsible women should be the cause for all women to lose their bodily autonomy. You said you believe in the right to choose, so i don’t mean to pick on you. I just hear that argument so often (and read it a bunch of times above) that I thought I should respond to the general premise.
Also responding to posts I saw above, most women who have abortions (between 60-70%) are already mothers. People often like to think of women who seek abortions as irresponsible floozies, but most are already moms and are very much aware of what is required to bring a child into the world.
Post # 99
That’s my opinion based on a whole lot of people (all different kinds of people I grew up in the city) who’ve had abortions. It rubs me the wrong way to use abortion as birth control. I know women who’ve had abortions for other reasons. People can do what they want it’s on them. I never said anyone should lose anything so idk what you’re talking about.
Post # 100
Yes, I totally understand. That’s why I said I was responding to the general premise and didn’t mean to pick on you. I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.