(Closed) Thoughts on Penn Sate

posted 8 years ago in College
  • poll: Should Joe Paterno have been fired?
    Yes, he should have done more to protect the victims : (106 votes)
    77 %
    No, he did what was required under the law : (21 votes)
    15 %
    Unsure : (11 votes)
    8 %
    Other : (0 votes)
  • Post # 47
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: April 2010

    @MissGreen: Exactly. I agree 100%.

    Post # 48
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @ttn133: They were indicted, does that make you feel better?  Have you READ what happened to these boys?  They are the only people that anyone should feel sorry for.

    Post # 49
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    I feel sorry for Joe Paterno-BUT, I feel much sorrier for a little boy who was molested, and sorrier still for any boy molested after that, because no one put a stop to it, when they had the chance. I actually hold the University at fault more than Paterno. What I can’t figure out is why no one took this to the police? Not the people who witnessed the incident, and not Paterno, and not the University? I feel like a lot was done to hush up the incident, to save the so-called reputation of the Universitys athletic program, but nothing was done to protect these boys from a known predator.

    Post # 50
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    @Lt.Columbo: THIS.

     I wonder if all of these people who defend Paterno would feel the same if those were their children or family members who had been molested!!

    Post # 51
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

    Sorry, I haven’t read all the posts, but I voted “unsure” because I don’t know what information Joe Paterno had and whether or not he personally suspected something was really going on… if Sandusky was a good friend, I could see how he might not have believed the allegations. If he passed the information along to his superiors thinking that the claims were probably unsubstantiated and he trusted that the case had been fully investigated by campus police and turned up nothing, then I don’t blame him.  If, however, he had any real suspicions based on his conversations with the GA, Sandusky, or others, than he should have done more and deserves to be fired.

    Post # 52
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @Lt.Columbo:  You techniquely can’t tell me how I should feel. You can disagree with how I feel but you can’t tell me that I should only feel sorry for those boys. I do feel horrible that Sandusky did those unimaginable things to those boys. It makes me sick.  I, too was abused as a kid… people, friends, parents saw me with bruises.  They did nothing. I wish Paterno would have done more.  I know the justice system is not perfect.  I just want everyone involved to have the same conquenses. Not just because of their celebrity status.

    Post # 53
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    Bumble bee
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    @ttn133:  If you want everyone to have the same consequences, then Paterno should be indicted for failure to report, as Curley and Schwartz were.

    Post # 54
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: February 2013

    So I just looked it up, and PA is one of the states that don’t require all persons to report child abuse (*spits*). Source: http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/049/chapter42/s42.42.html.

    Regardless, he should be dumped out on his ass without ceremony, as should the other officials & non-officials involved in this horror story. Even if the school doesn’t give the axe to everyone else, HE STILL DESERVES TO GET FIRED. Just because someone else didn’t get their commupance doesn’t mean that he should get away scott free.

    Post # 55
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2010

    @Lt.Columbo: I don’t think that’s the same. Paterno DID report to the AD, who then covered it up. He wasn’t legally required to report to the police, so there’s not legal grounds for indictment.

    Post # 57
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @MrsWrangler: No I don’t think Paterno will be indicted, I was just following @yrret107’s logic that everyone should face the same consequences.  

    Post # 58
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    It’s hard to understand why he didn’t go to the police. I don’t know how much he knew or if he actually witnessed anything, but if he did then he definitely should have elevated it above the shool officials he reported it to. However, though if they told him that they were reporting it and taking necessary actions then I could understand why he stopped there. So honestly I’m not really sure how wrong he was since I don’t know all of those facts. But either way I think it’s total BS that the people he reported the abuse to are only on academic leave while Joe was swiftly fired.

    Post # 59
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    I think we can all agree that the young boys are the victims here.  Isn’t that a mute point?

    The jury is out on Paterno and the gang.  It seems like every hour there are more rumors, more evidence.  All we can do right now is draw our own conclusions based on what we know.  And I don’t know what I believe right now.

    Joe Paterno has been a personal hero of mine for over 20 years.  I used to walk by his house every day on my way to school.  One time I saw him walking on the bike path behind his house and he gave me a friendly wave.  He contributed so much to PSU and the community.  Did you know that he was one of the lowest paid college football coaches?  He really just did the job because he loved it so much.  And he gave back to the community as much as he could.

    Was there a “coverup” orchastrated in 1999 when Jerry retired?  Probably.  But if Joepa was indeed involved in that, it would break my heart.  This man built his life around “doing the right thing.”  He cares about kids so much.

    The rioting at PSU is heartbreaking.  I will chalk it up to a bunch of overemotional, drunk kids.  I hope the nation doesn’t look down on the PSU society as a whole because of the actions of a few.

    I know many people who are DEVOTED to PSU and the football program, my fiance being one of those people.  We planned to move back to PA so our kids could get in-state tuition to PSU some day.  Now we are not so sure.  This scandal has rocked us.

    As for Paterno, did you ever see the last episode of Seinfeld?  Where the gang gets arrested because they watched a crime being committed and didn’t do anything to stop it?

    I’m heading up to state college for the Nebraska game this weekend.  It should be interesting.

    Post # 60
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    @Lt.Columbo: Ok, well if the investigation finds Paterno guilty of that, so be it.  I do know that Paterno is NOT currently being investigated by Attorney General while Curley and Schwartz are.  I’m not involved in the investigation so I don’t know what evidence they have. But until, he is, I stand by my opinion.

    Also, when I mentioned about having the same consequences,  I was speaking about the firings at the school. Not the legal aspect of it. The board of trustees should have fired Curley and Schwartz not placed them on leave.

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