(Closed) Thoughts on the Occupy protests?

posted 8 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: What do you think about the Occupy protests?
    I think it's great that people are standing up for a cause/several causes. : (57 votes)
    33 %
    I don't really know much about them. : (14 votes)
    8 %
    I think they're too vague and don't really have a cohesive purpose. : (78 votes)
    45 %
    Other : (1 votes)
    1 %
    I do not support them in any way. : (22 votes)
    13 %
  • Post # 92
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: March 2012

    I’m walking away from this before I say something I shouldn’t.  In the end, I fully support the protestors.  There needs to be change.

    Post # 94
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: June 2012

    @penguinsaremyfriends:

    It’s not evil to be self interested. We all are self interested. When you file your taxes, do you not try to get every break possible? The problem with the loop holes is not that the corporations are evil, it’s that there are loop holes for them to find! 

    Also, in regards to the benefits thing. Please try to remember that corporations are under a hell of a lot of pressure, especially with the economy the way it is. There is a lot of competition and the pressure is on to keep costs low. If one corporation gives its employees really nice benefits, then its competitors can price it out of the market and cause it to go bust. This would mean that everybody in that company is out of a job. 

    Companies also are carrying a lot of risk if they give benefits. Recently, most companies will have lost a lot of their pension fund money and will be badly hurting from that. Combine the risk involved in a pension fund with the fact that many people will choose to be paid now rather than later, and you naturally will get smaller benefits. 

    On an tangental note, I have an amusing anecdote about an evil corporation helping out a smaller business. In 1997, Apple was basically bankrupt. Were it not for the help of Microsoft and Bill Gates, it would have failed completely. I find that amusing to think of when I hear people hating on Microsoft and worshipping Apple. 

    Post # 95
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    31 posts
    Newbee
    • Wedding: November 2011

     

    Although I don’t agree with most of what the protestors are rallying for I can defiantly relate with the health care issue. Even though it is “illegal” to turn away people for no insurance, I have been in that position where I was ignored due to the fact that I’m self employed with no medical insurance. Also there has to be something done about these crazy corrupted insurance companies! 

    However, I dont think its cool for them to expect the government to help pay our college debt. We are blessed that we, especially women, have the opportunity to further our education. 

     

     

    Post # 96
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2010

    @Lemma: This is it for me and then I am done. This is a quote that  I know the senate candidate that said took a lot of grief for, but I think it is true.

    “I hear all this, oh this is class warfare, no! There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.  You built a factory out there — good for you. But I want to be clear.  You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for.  You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate.  You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory… Now look.  You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea — God Bless! Keep a Big Hunk of it.  But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

    I think of America as the “next kid”, not really an individual. You pay your share in taxes for all the things this country has done for you to run your company.

    Post # 97
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    264 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: December 2013

    I understand the knee-jerk rage against “the banks”- the faceless evil entity that has “ruined” our economy. I just don’t like that they are the face of a much larger problem that is contributed to by so many different aspects of our economy.

     

    People rail against the bailouts and then in the next breath want more jobs- if the banks that were bailed out were to fail, there would have been (and this is my completely estimated number here) hundreds of thousands of bankers out of jobs- and not the ones at the top. The low level, middle class, go to their job every day and try-to-make-it-by people. As well as “main street” companies that turn to those institutions for funding to keep their companies afloat or get them started. 

     

    There is a lot wrong that needs to be addressed in this country, and I feel that OWS is right to want to address those needs, but is squandering the publicity they are getting by choosing to just occupy instead of pushing for specific changes that can help. They will only be getting this much media for so long and as of yet they are not putting it to use.

    Post # 98
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: June 2012

    @penguinsaremyfriends:

    Apparently you are done without answering my question. 

    You have benefitted from everything mentioned in that quote in the same way that corporations have. Do you pay all your taxes without trying to get any tax breaks that are legal? 

    If you do pay all your taxes without claiming any breaks, then you are either a much better person than everybody else on earth, or kind of stupid. 

    If you claim tax breaks, then you are behaving in the same way a corporation does when it tries to reduce the tax it pays. Do you hold corporations up to a higher moral standard than you hold yourself up to?

    I agree that corporations should pay tax. The laws should be changed so that they have to pay tax. It is silly to expect them to pay their tax on the honour system when we don’t expect that of anybody else. 

    Post # 99
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    1927 posts
    Buzzing bee

    @TeamAwesome:  Thank you for pointing that out!

    I have friends who lost their jobs when Lehman was allowed to go bunkrupt…. but no body wants to worry about them.

    Post # 102
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    1144 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: April 2012

    @abbyful: read that too and loved it. Dave is my boy! My Fiance and I took his course, changed our lives!

    Post # 103
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    593 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

    @MrsLongcoatPeacoat: This is a great example of a goal oriented protest.  There is something they dont like, they have organized a way to get attention and prove a point without causing harm to anyone or requiring people to sacrafice jobs to protest.  Its also a good testament to what America is supposed to stand for, Freedom…you dont like your bank, dont like how they are treating you, then switch! 🙂

    Post # 104
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    13095 posts
    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: July 2010

    @abbyful: I’m not necessarily a believer in all that David Ramsey says but I definitely agree with his statements on wealth distribution ultimately being envy.

    At the core of this demand is envy…. Envy says, “I don’t think I can ever have what you have, so you shouldn’t have it either.”

    Post # 105
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    3374 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: October 2011

    Yes! Envy

    There’s that proverb about a man who was jealous of his neighbor’s cow so he wished it dead. Then it died and neither of them had a cow. The first man wasn’t any better off though, he just brought his neighbor down.

    Post # 106
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    5667 posts
    Bee Keeper

    @CorgiTales: Somehow I missed this earlier. It’s a perfect analogy. No mother is a bad mother for ignoring a temper tantrum with no real goal.

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