Post # 1
I saw a board a while ago about someones fiance not tipping or being a bad tipper. It’s old and closed (by the OP) so I decided to bring up a slightly different topic.
I live in Canada, and here we make min wage when we work in a restaurant/bar whatever. I tip when service is good, as in the server is doing more than the typical “what do you want to drink, what do you want to eat, would you like freshly ground pepepr on that, how is your meal so far, can I get you any dessert or coffee, here is your bill”. I consider those the “basics” and unless I’m being extra picky that day, I tip a basic 10-15%.
BUT I have had instances where I really just wanted to throw my drink in the servers face. They are rude, belittling, and still bitch to their coworkers because you left them next to nothing as a tip. I once had a girl hold out her hand (at the bar) and say “can you at least spare a dollar?”. FTR I was going to tip her at the end of the night, but after she said that I was like “F*ck no”. Literally.
So basically, what are your guys opinions on tipping basic service if the servers make min wage (and min in Canada is average $10/hr) http://www.retailcouncil.org/training/minimumwages.asp
Post # 3
@honie309: If the server is good, I tip well, no matter what. Being a person who works a minimum wage job, it’s not NEARLY enough to get by on. My paychecks when I’m working 40 hour weeks still only give me a month’s salary of around $1000. Which is enough for rent and two bills..that’s it. Here in the states most places have a server’s wage at much less than that minimum wage actually is. It’s about $3 I believe?
Minimum wage varies from state to state as do the rules, but I do know here in Oregon the servers make the minimum wage of $8.90. But still, that’s not enough to live on.
Post # 4
@honie309: Everyone chose their career and it is not up to me to supplement anyone’s income. If we feel like it and service was what we expected it to be, then we leave a tip. Otherwise we don’t. And we don’t feel bad about it. No one tips me for doing my job.
Please excuse me while I go hide (I can see the rocks coming my way now).
Post # 5
@honie309: To keep it short and sweet: I like to err on the side of graciousness in life. You never know who you will meet, what they’re going through, where you may meet them again [ maybe on your way back down the proverbial ladder]. So regardless of their presumed wage, I always try and tip well– even if it is crappy. That is just me, though– I have never not left anything.
Post # 6
That’s understandable. I guess the reply to that would be: what about employees who don’t work in the service industry, making avg $10/hr.. how do they get by in life? I just feel there is a sort of double standard for servers who make at least the state/provincial min. wage.
Post # 7
Minimum wage is just that. How anyone survives and even raises a family on it is beyond me. Canada is so much better in the states where minimum wage for a non-tip job is more like 6.50 an hour. Waitresses can get paid around 3.50-4 an hour if they are lucky.
So, what I am saying is to tip them. If they are rude or bad at their jobs, then dont. But if they actually did their job, 20% is necessary.
Post # 8
Yes, perhaps where you come from. But when they are making $10/hr %20 is not necessary.
Post # 9
I completely agree with you. When service is good, I tip. When it is BAD I don’t tip. It’s rewarding bad behaviour basically and saying “No matter how you treat me, I am still going to tip you, thus reinforcing the fact that you don’t have to try hard at your job to make extra money”.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I am not talking about girls who make $3/hr. I am talking $10-$11 an hour.
Post # 10
i generally double the tax. that’s my rule & it’s worked out fine so far.
Post # 11
We always tip 15-20%..unless service was awful..then it will be 10% ..
Post # 12
$10 in Toronto or Vancouver is not a liveable wage, so yeah, i’d tip there regardless. I might use more leeway in a cheaper part of Canada where money goes farther, though.
Post # 13
It’s their choice to work at a job where they make less money. I don’t think waiters/ waitresses are entitled to a 15-20% tip unless they did a good job. If someone does an outstanding job, I give them an outstanding tip.
If someone does NOT do a good job in serving me, I would not only not give them a tip, but complain to their manager. If someone chooses to work in a SERVICE industry, they better give me service!
Post # 14
I feel the same way about the girl who makes $3 hour (how’s that for an unpopular opinion?). We all have to earn our money and being a bitch to me isn’t going to make me give you money. It just won’t.
I get that you have a job that doesn’t pay you well, but I was there before too and I didn’t expect anyone to help me or supplement my small wage. It was my problem to deal with and I did – I finished school and got a job that allows me to support myself without soliciting extra money 😛
Post # 15
Just a question for everyone then, do you tip at McDonalds, Tim Hortons, Dairy Queen etc?
Post # 16
+1, exactly. I will complain to managers about poor service too.