Post # 1
I read this article and I was curious as to what the Bees would think about it.
A short summary:
Basically a man got his girlfriend pregnant in February. She was excited about the pregnancy, he was not. He asked her to get an abortion and she refused. The man’s father is an OB/GYN. The man talked to his father about not wanting to have the baby. After a check-up with the father the woman was told she had a bacterial infection and was prescribed amoxicillan. The boyfriend forged his father’s signature on a perscrition for an abortion drug and relabled the bottle as amoxicillan before giving it to his girlfriend. She soon after miscarried around 6 weeks.
What do you think Bees? Was it murder? Should he go to jail? Is it fair that fathers don’t get a say in abortion?
ETA: If you do think he should be charged with murder, how would that ruling affect abortions by choice? Would it classify all abortions as murder?
Post # 3
Wow. Re: “Is it fair that fathers don’t get a say in abortion?” Hm. My father is a pro-life activist and his stance is that men should get a say in choosing life.
That is a horrific story.
Post # 4
wow. there just aren’t any words.
I do think that guys should have a say in whether or not the child is aborted – but I think that mainly applies to situations where the girl wants an abortion but the father wants to keep the child. He should be able to express that and then raise the kid – but he has to be willing/able to properly provide for that child.
In this situation, I’m torn between the murder and not murder. I just can’t even fathom how wrong this is.
If you don’t want a kid that strongly – DON’T HAVE SEX
Post # 5
This is a disgusting story..that’s all I’ll say.
Post # 6
@Glasgowbound: Don’t have sex, exactly.
I posted this because I was apalled at how many on the commenters on the article were going after the girl for ‘tricking’ the guy into getting her pregnant.
Post # 7
I don’t think guys should be able to force a woman to get an abortion. If you don’t want to be a father right now, make SURE you wear protection.
This individual is a disgusting piece of crap and I think he should be charged with murder.
Post # 8
He intentionally killed. That sounds like murder and aggravated assault.
if you don’t want kids or can’t handle the possible outcome of sex, don’t do it!
Post # 9
Oh my. How awful! I agree @Glasgowbound: if he wants it he should be able to keep it, if she wants it and he doesn’t there should be some “document” (or something, this isn’t a thought out idea) that they can sign that says he would’ve aborted and has nothing to do with the child, she can keep it if she’s willing to do it alone.
I really don’t know where I stand on is it murder, I guess in her eyes yes, as it was already a child in her mind, and she had all the hopes of what that baby would be, but in his it was a cluster of cells.
I find abortion a confusing subject (Though, I am 100% pro choice)
Post # 10
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that is disgusting. Like the PP I think I should get a say in life but not in death if the woman wants to keep the child. however, I am going back and forth between murder and something else, perhaps physical assault?
Post # 11
@Eckle: Assuming proper protection was used and somehow malfunctioned, I do think both parties should have a say in whether or not to have a baby. Having said that, I don’t think a man should force a woman into an abortion, but at the same time if she is insisting on keeping an unwanted baby then he should have the option to sign over his parental rights to her. Then both parties get what they want (and if she is just using the baby to “keep” him, then she may think twice about doing that).
If no protection was used, then it’s a gamble you both chose to take and thus have to deal with the repercussions as responsible adults. I understand that protected sex is still a gamble, but at least you’re doing what you can. Personally, I wouldn’t want to bring a child into the world unless the father wanted to be a part of the child’s life. Even if he is forced to pay support that doesn’t mean he will be a father to the baby or want anything to do with either the mother or baby.
Is it murder? Technically not since the baby was not yet a baby according to the law – a legal abortion was still allowed to take place. Then every woman who has an abortion is a murderer and that’s just absurd. I would be interested to see the case law that supports whatever is decided. Obviously it’s a horrible thing to do but it’s not murder. Too bad they weren’t able to properly communicate as a couple and reach a resolution :-
ETA: I don’t agree with the PPs who said the man should only get a say in certain circumstances. It’s either all or nothing in that case, not just whatever scenario is best for the woman. It takes two to make a baby and both people should have a say. Yes, the woman carries it but it is still his child too.
Post # 12
Well, he didn’t ‘accidentally’ switch the labels, so the intent was there to kill the fetus. How can it not be murder?
What a dirtbag. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Post # 13
@MrsPanda99: I agree that calling it murder is a slippery slope when it comes to abortions by choice, but I’m not sure what else would be appropriate.
Post # 14
I’d say grievous bodily harm, as he did something monumental to his girlfriends body. The embryo is not a person and therefore he cannot be charged with harming it.
Post # 15
Murder. Did she rape him? Doubtful. Until men carry babies, they should not have the final say in what happens.
Post # 16
It cannot be murder, because the fetus is not a person. At that stage of development, it could not live on its own, outside its mother’s body. You must be a person to be murdered.
It is, however, serious, aggrivated, premeditated assault on the mother and should be prosecuted as such.
I also think there could be potential ethical charges to be levied against the doctor/father, as to me it seems unethical for any doctor to see anyone in a professional capacity when there are close family ties.