- 3 years ago
- Wedding: May 2017
I think everyone here needs to watch this on both sides to understand things better.
I think everyone here needs to watch this on both sides to understand things better.
Hodgy527 : Thanks for your response. I’m genuinely interested and learning and understanding where you are coming from.
My next question- what’s your next move? Personally, I wasn’t a fan of Obama. While I didn’t protest, it did push me to get more involved in politics, understand what was going on, and be a more involved citizen, overall. I called my rep’s to voice my opinion on different issues throughout the last 8 years. I got more involved in local gov’t too.
Now that Trump is president (which you said in your post you do accept), what’s the next move? Personally, I would love to see those who peacefully have been protesting to get involved. Come to the table with some ideas and recommendations . Let’s strike compromises as Americans, since we are all on the same team at the end of the day.
Are you interested in being ‘team america’ and uniting for the next 4 years for positive changes? Or is your preference to ‘sit this one out’, because you don’t support Trump, and engage once he’s out of office?
Genuine questions and comment above. None was meant in a passive aggressive way- tone is hard to understand over the internet which is why I’m clarifying.
bywater : I’m a white woman, though admittedly not blue collar and in no way other than my skin color do I fit the profile of a typical Trump voter. Even so, as a white woman, this nonsense that white people are uniquely victimized in our society strikes me as absurd and offensive. Minorities have dealt with income inequality and a lot worse mistreatment than being called “dumb” throughout American history. Based on the rhetoric “take our country back” “build that wall” etc it seemed the appeal was to people who were mourning the loss of the advantages conferred by being a white male, more so than the loss of their jobs. This breakout of the voters by income and race was also in line with this assumption.
mcmeow : I’ve liked some of Michael Moore’s work, but generally take him with a grain of salt. But he scared the crap out of me when I saw him on MSNBC last week predicting a Trump win. He was so convinced and made so much sense. He wasn’t being provocative or bombastic, his mood was downright solemn. Turns out he was one of the few people who saw it coming.
WestCoastV : not true. look at things like affirmative action in higher education these days. A white male and a minority female don’t have the same requirements for acceptance. You can be a white male with higher test scores, better resume, etc but be rejected because you’re white.
mcmeow : there have been some reasonable conservatives in these threads who have obligingly answered my questions in either this thread or the one for people who support Trump (those two threads are so similar I can’t tell them apart).
There are many members of both sides who are more interested in slinging insults than discourse… including certain bees who, outside of these political threads, I generally find to be valuable members of the community.
annonymous21385 : I wonder if you, like me, wish we could start a thread where any posts that sling insults are automatically removed. I want to talk to the other side, but I’m rather weary of having my honest question thrown back at me with seemingly random insults and hyperbole.
italianbride0508 : You are being respectful to me so I will be respectful to you. And I thank you for being civil, even though we disagree. Happy to answer your questions 🙂
You say you werent personally a fan of Obama, but this decision goes so much farther than “not personally being a fan.” Many people are genuinely scared for their safety and their rights. If this was a normal election with a R winner, I would not be protesting. I’m terrified that Trump has normalized sexual assault, racism, xenophobia, and the like. So my next move it so continue to fight for human rights. I’ll be actively trying to educate those from my hometown about the rest of the world and how privileged they are in their suburban, white, cis, bubble. I will stand up for those who are being ridiculed or threatened in front of me. I will spread kindness and understanding and be the embodiment of what I want to the world to be. I will call Trump out on every -ist policy, statement, and tweet. I will him out every time he proves one of his campaign promises to be a lie. I also belong to a FB group that lists all of the companies associated with Trump, his campaign, family, advisers, and those who have publicly supported him. I am boycotting all of those companies.
If human rights become threatened on a policy level as I (and many others) fear, I will of course actively get involved by calling my representative and continue to protest if need be. I will stand in solidarity and understanding with those being threatened. I will continue to protest if need be.
I am, and always will be on Team America. (U-S-A! U-S-A!) but at this point I am incredibly disgusted and disappointed in my country and the hate it has show and I am and will continue to stand up against that hate and show that not all Americans stand behind this man and his awfulness.
amanda1988 : For the love of whatever God we believe in, let’s not have another thread LOL
It’s a very emotional time for everyone right now – we all have things that we believe are important that another person may highly disagree with and therefore, judge our character. This is the human way, unfortunately.
But these threads, this is flat out ridiculous. 20 pages and still going strong, of people continuing to bash one another just because….they don’t agree? Mind-blowing to me. It continues and will go round robin for I don’t know how long.
My hope is that, eventually, we can accept the differences, but try to find some similarities. Even though it is a wedding website, this amount of hate is being added to the rest of the hate that awaits outside of here.
There are left and right sides of people.
It is said that left-brained people tend to think more intellectually while right-brained people are more artistic and bright. We all have our strong beliefs and way of thinking, but we’re different and that’s not bad. We’re all great. And we literally share this nation together so freakin’ act like it.
I need a nap. I don’t even know if what I just wrote makes sense, but yeah…happy Friday everyone
International bee here. I absolutely support the right to protest and think it’s a fundamental right in a democratic society. However, I personally would not get involved in a violent protest (starting fires, destruction of property, injuring police) because to me, that plays right into the hands of the people I’m protesting against. I don’t want people to be able to say “all left wing people are violent idiots because look at the protests!”.
I hope, as someone from a country that has strong ties to the US, that the fears about a Trump presidency are unfounded. However, the fact that AFAIK the Republicans now control the House and the Senate concerns me. His VP definitely scares me. Trump wanted the White House and would say anything to get it, my fear is based on the people he surrounds himself with and their hard right political agendas. We have a right wing party in power in my country, but we don’t have to worry about our health care being removed or abortion rights being taken from us. That would be a genuinely scary position to be in and if I was in the US, I’d be out there protesting too.
A quick aside.
The left brain / right brain (and indeed the female brain / male brain) ideas have been debunked. It’s all a lot more complicated, thank goodness. It turns out that we are all incredibly unique. Experience alters how our brains are wired quite considerably.
I’m want to start by saying I don’t think everyone who voted for Trump is racist or stupid.
Like many English people, I always thought the US was definitely the coolest country. i loved the accents, the fact you guys don’t wear uniforms at school – I just thought it would be an amazing place to live. But as an adult I just see a lot of really scary problems. I think most outsiders struggle to comprehend how some Americans fetishise guns. It’s bizarre. Seeing lethal weapons as a ‘hobby’ and as a ‘fun collectable’ is something even some (but not all) extreme far right commentators in this country find disturbing and frightening.
It’s also quite frightening to see people say things like ‘white people are discriminated against’. I dont know where this amazing quote comes from, but when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
People of colour are more likely to be discriminated against in every walk of life – they are more likely to be shot and killed. It’s not just about ‘feelings’ – it is about life and death itself.
I say this as a white woman from the UK. I am beginning to see the scale of the racism problem in the US.
No-one seems to have addressed the fact that Trump (which funnily enough means ‘fart’ in English slang) actually mocked a disabled reporter. So i guess that’s ok now.
Reading a lot of these posts, it seems Trump was elected BECAUSE of his bigoted views and not IN SPITE of them.
We’re seeing the rise of the far right across the world, here in Europe, and very much in the US. Let’s hope it doesn’t end how it did last time.
There are already quite a few reports of gay people being beaten badly, lots of racist attacks. I believe having a bigot as a president somehow legitimises the beliefs of these people.
It was pretty soul destroying reading some of the things people said on this thread yesterday (racism is about ‘hurt’ feelings and isn’t important, the media ‘blew out of proportion’ the fact that Trump said ON TAPE he likes to ‘grab women by the pu$$y’ etc).
Also, I would need to do more researh on this, but the general consensus in the UK is that Trump is a pretty poor business man – the ‘small loan- of millions of dollars his father gave him would be worth more now if he’d left it in the bank, than if he’d bankrupted himself time and time again. The economic situation is not looking good.
Oh – and he’s already U-turned on his biggest election promise.
One last thing…so many anti-choicers seem to love guns and hunting. How can you say the life of a cluster of cells with no feeling (in early abortion) is more important than the life of a sentient animal that feels pain and sadness? I apologise if this sounds flippant, it’s just an obvious hypocrisy I would like to understand.
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