(Closed) Trump….the better choice?

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Post # 61
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MrsMeowton:  Please, tell me WHERE I said I was voting for Trump.  This one factor is the biggest issue in debate for me. WHich of the two liars in chief do I worry about more?

I’m not jumping on the Hillary bandwagon therefore I’m obviously voting for Trump.

So much for acccepting others’ ideas.  I’ve seen it time and time again on board where being moderate, or , or heaven forbid, conservative, only puts a bullseye on your back.

Post # 62
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passthepeas:  Not old enough to vote either. 

Post # 64
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passthepeas:  A lot is already known about the shooter.  Haven’t you heard?

Post # 65
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No. Just no. I refuse to let a man that hates woman, hates anyone with a different opinion then him run the highest office. 

 

Post # 66
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No. A loud mouth, crass, racist bigot with zero political experience is not the better choice.

Post # 67
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gatsbybride2016:  Although I will vote for Hillary even though I don’t love her and I recognize and acknowledge many of her flaws, I will say that I agree with you that Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, and the Libertarian Party are a good option for *sane* people who want a legit alternative to Hillary.   In the past the Libertarian Party has been too extreme for most people — they have advocated eliminating just about every federal agency, and repealling a huge number of publicly supported laws, for example — but this year Johnson and Weld have brought the party more into the mainstream, and as former (Republican) governors, they are a well qualified ticket for president.  

Just a political science lesson for those who don’t understand what Libertarian means versus Democrat or Republican:

Reupblicans tend to support less government in the economic sphere, but more government in the social sphere.  So, for example, they want to reduce or eliminate governmental oversight of business, but they support enacting restrictions on abortion or gay marriage.

Democrats tend to support more government in the economic sphere, but less government in the scoial sphere.  So they want to regulate business more (envirnomental laws, for example), but reduce or eliminate restrictions on abortion.  

Libertarians support less government in both the economic and social spheres.  So they are economically more similar to Republicans, and socially more similar to Democrats.  It’s a compelling position to take, and one that many people support in theory.  Their problem is that, as I mentioned above, in the past the Libertarian Party has taken their beliefs too far, and outside the comfort zone of mainstrean America.  Johnson and Weld are trying to change that.  They have a real challenge ahead of them as the 2 party system is systemically rooted in American politics (see Duverger’s Law – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law, or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PL7679C7ACE93A5638&index=1 for a simplified explanation), but this year defies so many conventional “rules” that they may get more publicity than they would have in the past.  

Post # 68
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As I listen to Trump address the nation, he talks about much specific plans as in increased screenings for immigrants (which doesn’t address the U.S. citizen who went on a frenzy in Orlando) increasing surveillance (because that’s what I’ve always wanted, an NSA loaded with more power) and sweeping general statements about how Obama has failed and not defeated ISIL.

Still feeling this way about a Trump presidency…

john-oliver-no

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tessadub:  Yes, ignorant people come in all shapes and sizes.  Not sure what your point is?

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Sunfire:  I guess not?  I mean some basic stuff, name, nationality, occupation, previous marriage, etc.  But not enough to know what you might be referring to by “who and what the perpetrator was”.

Enlighten me?

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Post # 71
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bywater:  You are exactly right.  But you’re not alone; there are other moderates here, myself included.  There are plenty more like us based on all the pm’s I receive but they don’t feel comfortable speaking out because of exactly what you’ve pointed out.

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passthepeas:  Google it for yourself.

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bywater:  “Actually, my disgust with Hillary may send me in Trump’s direction” is what you said in your original post. I never said you were going to vote for him, rather my statements were about why you would vote for him based on her past as a defense lawyer. I can accept other ideas perfectly fine, but when your reasoning is slightly ridiculous, I don’t have to blindly accept it. At the end of the day, vote for whoever the hell you want to vote for. 

 

Post # 74
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OMG now he’s saying that anyone who didn’t report anything about the Orlando shootings should be punished.

Enter McCarthy-Era witch hunts.

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Sunfire:  Right.  Because you know you can’t answer.  

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