(Closed) Twilight Haters…

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Post # 62
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Sugar bee
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People who bash Twilight don’t bother me.  Everyone knows I’m a big Twilight geek, both here and IRL.  I can understand where people are coming from, but for me, the books and movies have a pure escapist quality about them.  I used to read Sweet Valley High books when I was younger, and they are also all about teen angst and boyfriend/girlfriend relationships… granted, not to this degree.

Post # 63
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Bee Keeper
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@zippylef: I actually read that one recently and loved it! Forgot about Scottish ones, Julie Garwood has some dandies ๐Ÿ™‚ Kathleen Woodiwiss was one of my faves too. Probably should start a thread on this but then I’ll be outed as one of ‘those’ girls and I’ll want to go to the library. Lindsey is pretty good too ๐Ÿ™‚

Done threadjacking!

Post # 64
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Buzzing bee
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@MrsLongcoatPeacoat: THreadjacking here… We must be around the same age because Sweet Valley was all the rage when I was younger. I used to read them when I wanted some light reading. I have always been a scifi nut and was reading Dune in 5th grade. I traded teh SV books with a friend. We had quite a few in teh series between us.

Post # 65
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Worker bee
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@bookworm88: Being a complete book geek I agree with you. 

I’ve got nothing against twilight but I looked at a few of the pages and it’s really poorly written. Like what other people are saying it’s great that children are reading but they’re missing out if that’s all they’re reading.

I don’t agree with parents saying its inappropriate. There are many children’s authors you could say write books that are inappropriate. Jacqueline wilson would be one of them after reading her books in my childhood.  

Post # 66
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Blushing bee
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@Natalieh86: Look, I work at a movie theater. Harry Potter fans are a little fanatical (all the dressing up and dueling in the hallways during the midnight premiers…lol) but Twilight fans are just a different caliber. For some reason, my theater chain has had to deal with some of the rudest customers this past weekend (especially midnights on thursday!!) because of these movies, and its all because of twilight!! Sadly, theres nothing that can be done, because most people talk about how rude twlight fans are.

The books don’t totally suck, but I think the movies are terrible (although they do well at the box office). 

Post # 67
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Honey bee
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Yeah, I can’t believe this is the thread that’s getting me to come out of posting hiatus, but it has to be said.

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@DaisyCakes: and 
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@HappilyEverAfter54: You and the OP are missing the point. You’re free to like it, and others are free to dislike it, and never the twain shall meet. The problem I have, and I think I see here, is that this OP specifically called people out. It’s not like the haters were going on the fan threads to mock them, which is what you’re suggesting.

Now, the bigger issue, the real reason I’m posting, is because I am just so over this whole “It’s just a book” debate. Culture, fueled by families, the education and government systems, and the media (which includes books and pop culture), shapes the way we think about ourselves and our society. It’s called socialization. This is widely researched and understood to be true. So while of course there are many people out there who will read the books, form an opinion, and move on with their lives, their are many others who will internalize these norms. It is for this reason that it bothers me when fans brush aside the concerns over the problematic relationship as “just a story” because, as so many are speaking to in examples above, it’s not just a story to many young girls. It is now what they think a “normal” relationship “should” look like. Norms are powerful, and this is not one I want any potential future daughter of mine to accept. 

I love Beauty and the Beast, too, but when I hope that I can have serious conversations about its problems with my future children. I am not saying problems with the story or the norms it presents mean you should banish it, and these problems can be separated from whether or not you appreciate it as a fan. But you can’t deny that the problems are influential.

Debate the quality of the writing. Debate the (de)merits of the relationship itself. But just accept that the books are hugely influential and from there decide what this means, OK?

Post # 68
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Buzzing bee
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So I figured I should respond since I’m the one that started the Twilight Ugh thread and also said I wouldn’t let my future daughter read it.

Twilight is not only written very, VERY poorly, but it also tells a story of a victim of abuse! And people call it a LOVE STORY. I wouldn’t want an impressionable 12 year old girl to read this and think to herself that boyfriends stalk you. That they cut the brakes to your car so you can’t hang out with your friends. That you have to throw yourself off a cliff because you are so devastated when they leave. That you should marry at 18 and abandon your family.

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@Amaryllis: I agree 100 percent.

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Buzzing bee
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Double post…my bad

Post # 69
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Busy Beekeeper

oh i just had to come in here and comment, i couldn’t resist!  First of all, i have outed myself as a Twihard on WB (and to everyone in my real life), so i have no shame in my love of it.  I do agree with what the OP is saying. I don’t really understand why people get sooo worked up over the reasons they hate Twilight.  I mean I understand why people say its not appropriate for young, impressionable girls and all that.  its probably true, but i also think that this whole “anti Twilight” thing has been extremely and grossly overblown. I don’t understand why people get so worked up over something they don’t like.  When i don’t like things, i just don’t think about it too much or care about it.  At least for something like a movie saga.

However, starting a thread about this?  i don’t understand this either.  I love Twilight and i revel in loving it.  Do i care that so many people around me give me funny looks and constantly put down what i love? maybe sometimes, ya i care a little, then i go read the books again or watch the movies again and i realize i actually couldn’t care less what other people are saying because i just thoroughly enjoyed those 2 hours of my life and while watching/reading it, i thought of nothing else.  Basically, I would never start a thread like this is because i simply don’t care (enough) what other people think.  It does not take away from my enjoyment whatsoever and never will.

I am in the camp that its a great escape for me. I love to get caught up in fantasy romance stories. i also love vampires.  and no, it doesn’t bother me that they sparkle, i thought it was neat and a different twist on vampires.  my first experience with a vampire story was a book called “The Last Vampire” by Chirstopher Pike, and in that book the vampires could walk out in the sun and only needed to wear sunglasses, so i guess i am used to vampires being portrayed differently in each story/context/ – doesn’t bother me at all!

I also thought i would try to answer some twihater’s comments about how they don’t understand why people love it so much, you know because of the horrible writing/bad acting and all that.  Well, i guess i can say that the first time I read Twilight, and every time i read any of the books, i feel like i am really in Bella’s head. I see/feel it from her perspective. So i was not analyzing the dialogue or prose, i was just getting to know Edward and falling in love.  it was really as simple as that.  When i read it, i was not thinking “omg, this is a horrible role model for young girls, this is an example of an abusive relationship being romanticized”.  i never once had those thoughts because i was just enjoying the love story too much.  AND, throughout the whole series, i am fully aware of how un-realistic the whole thing is BECAUSE Edward is a vampire and Jacob is a werewolf.  Do i think it’s normal for boyfriends to watch their girlfriend sleep? no, of course not, that is stalker-ish and creepy.  Did i think this about Edward and Bella?   No, BECAUSE he is a vampire who cannot sleep and he was so in love with Bella that it just made sense in that world/story.  I don’t generalize it to real life.  Do i think a girl should go back to her boyfriend after he abandoned her for months?  No, of course not, that’s not the healthy/strong woman thing to do.  But when i read New Moon, all i wanted was for Edward to come back, the same way Bella did.  And i also think his reasons for leaving her were acceptable – he was afraid his vampire brother was going to eat her.  To me that is an exceptional situation.  Not one that anyone will ever encounter in real life, because the last time i checked, vampires don’t exist.  And regarding the bruises after having sex in the last movie – Do i think that any woman should excuse her husband bruising her because he lost control in the heat of the moment?  No of course not, that is physical abuse.  Do i think Edward is abusive to Bella? NO WAY!  he has super human strength – another exceptional situation that would never occur in real life, so i don’t make the comparison to real life relationships!  Anyway, this is why i do not have a problem with the books as role models, because it is all so unrealistic! Perhaps young impressionable girls would see it differently, but I am 31, so I won’t let the fact that is not the best relationship role model prevent me enjoying every last bit of it.  I also think it should be pretty simple to pass on this message that its all very unrealistic as it involves supernatural creatures that don’t exist.

What i WILL actually attempt to protect my future hypothetical daughters from reading/watching are things like Gossip Girl and 90210. I cringe at the thought of my 15 year old niece watching these shows because she is in high school and the girls on these shows are in high school having sex with any random guy they meet, often on the first date and its basically what drives all the relationships in those shows.  I actually prefer Edward and Bella as a relationship role model when it comes to having sex because they both waited for someone who they were truly in love with and know they wanted to be with forever. And then waited until they were married on top of that – at Edward’s insistence no less.  If my hypothetical daughter wants to date a man who respects her so much that he is happy to only watch her sleep – as opposed sleep with her – I would say she found a good guy.  That is how I perceived Edward throughout the books.  He cares for Bella so much that just holding her hand and kissing is enough for him. 

Post # 70
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Bumble bee
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I have no real energy left for this age-old debate, but I think the following image pretty much sums up the entire problem with Twilight, and proves that there are better books out there for young girls to idolize (and not just the Potter books, but any number of books with strong female characters).

Which type of girl do you want your young daughter idolizing?

Post # 71
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Busy Beekeeper

just want to add in that my little rant above was not meant to be interpreted as me trying to convince people who hate Twilight should change their minds and think its ok.  i usually don’t write out my counter arguments to why people hate it – i just felt like it doing it once since a couple of PPs (i think) expressed not understanding WHY people like it.  i still believe everyone is entitled to their opinion of course and i don’t really care to change anyone’s mind!  I am happy i have a few friends to go watch the movie with in the theatre multiple times and that’s that   ๐Ÿ™‚

Post # 72
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Sugar bee
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@Kant: this is the best Harry vs Twilight thing I have ever seen.  ๐Ÿ™‚

 

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@dynamic_duo: Your post makes sense. I totally get enjoying it as escapism!  What I don’t get is the obsession and the need to practically have a seizure any time someone says they don’t like it or get it for X reason(s) and defend the books/movies as though they are a parent and the person criticizing Twilight is actually trying to eat their baby alive.

Post # 73
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Helper bee
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@bookworm88: I agree. Poor writing is the main reason I hate Twilight. I’m a freelance journalist and writer. When some hack ruins my craft with terrible writing, it’s bad for the industry, which frustrates me.   

That said, I also hate Twilight for the OP’s reasons, which are legimiate issues with the series. 

Post # 74
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Bumble bee
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I Agree 100% with the OP…most people that criticize the books/movies haven’t read/seen them…if you’ve completely read the books, and/or seen the movies and you just didn’t like it, for whatever reason…thats fine…I happen to be totally addicted…I read all four books and loved them. I think the story is GREAT for young teens…the bruises on her body are to express the passion they share, and Edwards super human vampire strength…not that he abused her…she didn’t even know that they were there…people need to get over that! The girl waited until her wedding night to make love to her husband…I think that would be what most mothers and ALL fathers would want for their daughters…and they were married after they had been together for years….so the whole argument of what a bad influence she is on teens is a total wash in my opinion…I’m not a mom yet, and I certainly can’t tell others what to do, but I would rather my kid read twilight then nothing…and for not being a writer and just waking up after a dream and writing this saga that has made her more money then all of the bee community has combined…I think she wrote it amazingly well…now, had she gone to Harvard, and been writting all of her life, I would expect more…but I think its an amazing story with a good message…lets all pick apart Harry Potter…isn’t that about evil warlocks and black magic…killing people and stuff…I don’t recall anything like that in Twilight…just sayin

 

 

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Bee Keeper
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@ForeverAndEverAfter: I would pretty vehemently disagree with your statement that the series is great for young teens – and that goes way beyond the bruises. I stated how obsession with these books affected my sister earlier in the thread…and seeing her and her friends’ statuses of ‘omg, I wish my bf were just like Edward’ etc. and knowing they legitimately believe that is enough for me.

I have no problem with the books as escapism or entertainment. Trying to use them as models to base real relationships off of? Not so much.

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