(Closed) UK Trump Watchposted 5 years ago in The Lounge
- 4 years ago
- Wedding: March 2010
i want everyone to do me a favor..
have you been sexually assaulted? harassed?
been bullied? teased?
raped? said no and it meant nothing to someone?
told you aren’t as worthy as a woman as a man is?
hate that you may not have a say with your own body in regards to sexual reproduction?
have you been discriminated or disrespected due to your race or your weight?
have you struggled with finances and been turned away for help?
NOW. imagine the face of that person or people that did those things. imagine them in charge of your country, having a powerful say in all matters that touch on your daily life, commanding your military …
How the fuck could anyone vote for that?
- 4 years ago
- Wedding: January 2018
I don’t understand where the empathy has gone. I’m Hispanic but I was born here. Raised here. Proud to be from here but that doesn’t stop be from feeling heartbroken about the results. Do you know what illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant look like from the outside? The same. Does that mean I should be subject to people asking me my status because of the color of my skin? When our now President-Elect says that Mexico isn’t sending our finest, should I exhume my grandparents from their graves and tell them that giving up their successful careers to come build a better life here, starting from the bottom and working their way up, was a complete waste of time? Should I trivialize their sacrifice? Should I tell my dad who’s given up everything for his children, “Sorry, pops. You’re just not the best. Head back on to Mexico and leave America for the real Americans?”
No. Because that would be ridiculous. Regardless of anything, there is no justification for stating or inciting rhetoric that is so hateful and angry. I don’t care what individual supports say. We’re adults, we can live with it. What I mind is when the person who is in charge, the person who is supposed to be our representative, speaks that way.
For the past 8 years, I’ve heard near-constant complaining from the anti-Obama camp and you know what, it’s their right to do that. But to hear those same people ridicule Clinton supports for the same thing is almost too hypocritical to bear.
- 4 years ago
I admit even after this long thread with all its discussion I find it difficult to understand how so many people can have ignored the ugly rhetoric of Trump. Here in Europe we are very sensitive to any vilification of entire nations or religions.
However, those who voted for Trump were less than half the people who voted. More people voted for Hillary than Trump (popular vote) and if you add those who voted independent then when you walk out in your street or city then there are still more people who voted against Trump than for him.
As with Brexit, Trump support is complicated. I don’t believe that all Trump supporters are racists or even support his views. I think that some people just wanted a change.
This sort of thing happens with recessions. People become frightened for the future and think that the other side has all the answers. (All over Europe governments have changed too.) They don’t have the answers. In fact nobody does. It’s like the proverbial elephant. Question: how do you eat an elephant? Answer: one piece at a time. This recession will take quite a time to go away whatever we do so we just need to keep chipping away at it. Of course, what we really need to do is devise a way of stopping the future boom and bust of global economics.
I’m sorry that the thread has been taken over by some people who are being triumphalist and unpleasant. They are not doing themselves any favours. They feel that others have done them down and ridiculed them and so feel the need to do likewise. But I don’t believe that they are representative of all those who voted for Trump.
I watched the acceptance speech of Trump and I think he looked tired and even a little frightened – as well he might for the presidency will expose him for who he is. He’s an old man with plenty of litigation heading his way who will have to do some real work for a change. Up until now it’s been a game but not any more. Reality has arrived.
Your parents and grandparents are and were hardworking and honourable people who happen to be the pride of America – adventurous, brave and full of hope. The next four years are going to be a struggle in the US and the UK but I think that we can still be hopeful.
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