Post # 1
i could use some some advice or just some encouragement.
I’m a web designer and i work with a group of 8 designers. We’re located at the customers site. I recently got promoted and took the job above mine after a coworker moved. So we hired someone new to take my position. Its more of a leadership role (as im in charge of the new persons work as well now) and the work i’m doing is more involved and requires more work and more attention.
I was told that I would get a raise. Then I was told that we just missed the cutoff for annual raises and they cant do an out of cycle raise (some corporate jargon)
THEN when we’re hiring someone new we come to find out that the going salary for my old position is 40 to 50k and the minimum they can pay someone coming in is 40k. Which IS MORE then I am making. I FINALLY got bumped up to 38. Now I’m working above this guy who is startingout making 5k more then I was when i started in that SAME job.
I STILL haven’t gotten my raise. They basically told us we have to wait like 6 months after the annual raise time (july) to even TRY to apply for an out of cycle raise. But even that they said is very hard to get.
My boss stood up for me as much as he could but now we’re just playing the waiting game. its been about 3-4 months and I’m going nuts.
I’m completely broke. I did the math on what I SHOULD be paid vs what i am paid and Its about 300 dollars a month minimum. Thats ALOT of money to me.
I can’t handle this – yesterday the new guy was talking about how he takes his wife to an all inclusive in the bahamas EVERY year and I just wanted to cry cus I am using EVERY penny I have to be able to afford to go to jamaica ONCE for our honeymoon(the bahamas is WAY out of our budget) But I know i could easily afford it if I was making even the same salary as him.
I need my vacation time for the wedding in 8 months. I can’t risk a career change until after the wedding. But i’m going out of my mind!
Post # 3
- Wedding: November 2013 - St. Augustine Beach, FL
You should have gotten your raise in writing before accepting the promotion. I’m sorry you were taken advantage of and you really only have two options: 1) point out that the guy is making more than you in a lesser position with less experience (if you are absolutely sure) and request they pay you more now not later; 2) start searching for a job with another company that pays better. I would definitely look into whether you have a clain under the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act because it sounds like you do. A man with equivalent experience being paid more than you at the same job is a violation of this Act. Sadly, some companies are under the impression that men should be paid more because they are the “primary breadwinners” when the truth is that there are many female-run households where that extra money would be extremely helpful.
Post # 4
I feel your pain on this. I am making about $10k a year less than I should be. What I’m making right now an hour is what I should have started out.
Were you supposed to get your raise this past July or the July coming up? I would go talk to your immediate boss who you said stood up for you.
Post # 5
They know. everyone knows. (except the new guy) they just can’t or won’t do anything about it.
My boss was furious when he found out how much they were gonna pay the new person. Its the company tho – we just can’t do anything about it. I hate to play the “gender card” because we almost hired a female and i know for a fact they would have paid her more too because that was just the “going rate” for that position. I think I just didnt ask for enough money when I started. Now raises are VERY DIFFICULT to get because of the way the company is run. They even admitted that the best way to change your pay is to negotiate your salary BEFORE your hired.
I used to LOVE my job but this is making me HATE it. My boss loves me and he’d do everything in his power to help but theres just nothing we can do yet. its just a waiting game.
I gotta talk to my boss again but i know he’s just gonna say we have to wait a few more months. Short of threatening to quit theres nothing i can do. They KNOW i’m paid less – they just don’t care.
Post # 6
I make about $30K less than I should (my husband does the same job I do, but he is not technical/programmer and makes that much more, same level of experience), due to some bad times at our company where I didn’t get any raise for over 5 years. I have a job I love, at a company I’ve been with for 17 years, and I’m an IT manager that only works a 40 hour week for what is still a really good 6 figure salary. With decent benefits. So I just go with the flow and be thankful what I have overall.
Post # 7
Get out that resume. The only way to prove your worth is to show that someone else is willing to pay for you. It sucks, but you have to get a competing offer. Once you do and bring it back you’ll be muchmuch more likely to get that raise. Or they’ll say sorry they can’t do it, you’ll know how much they really value you, and you’ll have a better job to go to.
That’s how it works here, too. It used to be “we don’t negotiate” but now they’re desperate for talented people and they’ll do almost anything to keep you. Threaten to quit and the world is your oyster. Be smart though, have a back-up. Either way, you get what you want (more $$).
ETA: 8 months is plenty of time to start a new job and get vacation. Our probationary period is 90 days and you can take your vacation. I’d accumulate over 2 weeks in 8 months. You can negotiate that into your offer when you get it. Let them offer and then make it clear that you need these two weeks off and you’ll be willing to work with them to work OT, take it unpaid, whatever. They should still give you an offer as long as they know upfront.
Post # 8
oh i should add that the guy whose job i took was making about 17k more then i am… but he had a couple more years experience then me.
Post # 9
This is unacceptable and if your company is large enough to have a raise cycle I imagine you also have an HR department. If your boss can’t help you I would talk to someone in HR about this. I would also sit down with my boss and tell him you understand the timing was bad for the cycle but you therefore expect back pay to make up for the months you were doing the new job with old pay. To me this would be not an option but a must.
On a similar vein a friend of mine got an entry level job at a medium sized company out of college where all employees in that position made 36k, no negotiation possible. The following year he recruited a freind of his for the same job. His friend was offered 38k to start. When he asked about new hires making more than he was after a year of working for the company they said they increased the pay due to inflation or something but his pay would not change. Needless to say he was unhappy with the policy but at least they offered a 3k recruiting bonus when your recruit makes it to a year so that made up for the difference. The point is I don’t think your situatuion is an isolated incedent but you should at least speak up and ask for what was promised to you from the start of your promotion.
Post # 10
@almostmrsj: i’m scared to do that right now because if i did start a new job now… chances are i wouldn’t have a lot of vacation time. I have 3 weeks banked right now. I could take 2 weeks off for the wedding with no problem. I need my vacation time for the wedding/honeymoon.
Post # 11
@Kate0558: When you interview for a new job, you can absolutely tell them you will need two weeks off in 8 months for your honeymoon. My BFF took a new job in August, and she had a trip to New York planned a week after she started. They worked with her, and she got her vacation AND her new job!
AND – when you leave your old job, they will pay out your vacation, so you can take that check and save it, just in case you wouldn’t have enough vacation time saved at the new job.
Post # 12
@Kate0558: I totally know that it’s scary to think about starting anything all over. But you’re the only one looking out for yourself! You have to take control of your life. Your boss might like you a lot, but isn’t going to risk his own job for your pay, especially if they think you aren’t going anywhere.
Post # 13
They are expecting you to do the “girl thing” and sit quietly while they underpay you.
Don’t do that.
If they won’t give you what you deserve, the easiest thing to do is to get a new job. I was in your boat, and did that – I got the promotion AND raise I deserve! They won’t listen and do what’s right if they think nothing bad will happen.
Post # 14
@Kate0558: Don’t worry about the PTO..when they make the job offer make sure it’s made known that you’ll need the time. If they want you badly enough then it won’t matter to them. I went through this exact situation last year before my wedding and it worked out perfectly.
Post # 15
Get out that resume and start applying for new jobs. When you get hired be SURE TO NEGOTIATE A HIGHER SALARY THAN THEY INITIALLY OFFER. They will always go up from their original offer — from what I’ve seen. You can also negotiate for more vacation. Aim for more than you have now. When you have your new offer, either use it to negotiate a higher salary or leave.
Loyalty gets you nothing in the business world. Often the only way to get paid what you are worth is to change jobs.