Post # 1
I’m not new here, I just made a new name for this post. I’m sorry it’s so long, I’m at my wits end. I lost my job of 5 years as a store manager of a very popular coffee chain in June 2010. I was a victim of slander and deframation of character by one of my employees. I could not defend myself because all of the accusations were confidential. I was only told a few things. I was forced to respond to allegations of misconduct, ranging from inappropiate conversations to making partners call me “mommy.” I was also accused of threatening my employee’s job security by giving them verbal warnings for behavior issues (lateness, uniform, etc). I was told that my employees were afraid of me and had been for years and that i lead them with intimidation. All of this couldn’t be further from the truth. I was terminated from my position after being informed of this “investigation” for a week.
I had a very impressive background with this company, promoted from the bottom and I excelled in each position. I achieved many awards and held top honors in my district for many aspects of the business. I was a MCM (mentor coach mentor) to newly postioned managers. I was also managing more than one store. My performance reviews were consistent, not negative, and I continued to get positive feedback from my DM up until my termination.
I had a particular employee that I hired and quickly became a problem. She was very challenging in her questioning of training, scheduling, uniform and just about everything i did. So much so, that I had to have numerous conversations with her in regards to her disrespectful behavior. My DM instructed me to create a paper trail to eventually fire her to be rid of the problem. Then she began calling code of conduct lines and my DM’s boss to complain about me. She began to tell my other employees I didn’t know what i was doing and that I needed to be fired. While I was dual manging, she told employees and customers I wasn’t coming back and she was the new manager. I was aware of all of this at the time, but could not prove it. My HR department had no advice. My DM told me to stop speaking to my own employee. Then i lost my job. In 3 months I went from the top performing manager in my district to fired for misconduct.
I cannot get another job. I have applied for over 300 jobs since my termination. I have had 3 interviews. One job offer was for $10/hr., no benefits. I cannot go back to school, I have a BS degree already, so unemployement will not pay for more schooling and we have spent all of money on bills. I’m on my last tier of unemployement benefits. My husband is only working 3 days a week and also cannot find another job. I can barely cover the mortagage and bills now and when the benefits run out, I don’t know what to do. Even if i find a $10/hr job, we can’t pay our bills. This is the worst time of my life and it’s supposed to be the best. Sometimes bad things happen to good people and I don’t know how to make a potential employer believe me and give me a chance. All they see is “terminated.”
What to do????
Post # 3
Im so sorry you are going through this. I know what it feels like to not be able to find work. Im not in the exact situation but i have been out of work for awhile now, and my husband is also only working part-time, so it is a little difficult right now to pay for everything, we even had to move back in with his dad till we both get another job… (or finish school, we both are stating school in the fall)
Unfortunaly, and Im sure you know this being a manager in the past, termination on a past job is not good at all. Your job now is to make them want to see you. You have a BS, flaunt it. LOL.
I know you said you cant even pay for all your bills if you get a job for only $10/hour but with your termination on your record, you might need to start at the bottom, just make sure when you do get that interview, they now you are looking for something long term and to move up in the company as you did with your last position.
Stay positive, you will find something out there 🙂
Post # 4
@MrsMouse: Yes, I know all too well that termination is a death sentence for a job application. No one wants to even talk to you. You’re automatically scum. The amount of discrimination is ridiculous. Making $10/hr won’t bring in enough money to cover our mortage, let alone the utilities. I’m getting about $500 a week now, and that’s barely enough with Darling Husband not bringing a lot in. I’m about to get a job as a hooker or sell a kidney.
Post # 5
Honestly, lie. Fabricate your resume a bit…say you’ve been running your own business from eBay during this time and instead of saying you were terminated, just say you quit to explore other career options. Give them a phone number of a friend for a reference as a dm if you have to. Odds are they won’t ever find out anyway.
Post # 6
I’m really sorry that you’re in this position. I spent 2 years after school volunteering and interning at different organizations all the while applying to hundreds of jobs. Before deciding to go back to school I had no problems getting a job but unfortunately when I finished is exactly when the economy tanked. I am now happily self-employed.
You have applied to over 300 jobs and only had 3 interviews. Surely these potential employers don’t know that you were terminated just from your resume so something else is going on here. Maybe it’s just that your competition is really high? Most positions have hundreds and hundreds of very qualified people applying for that one spot. Would moving or searching further outside of your current limits give you more options?
ETA: Duh, sorry I just clued in that you have a 2 year gap. This was my big worry before as well since I have several gaps and lots of short term employment. I am not going to advocate lying but do what you have to do!
Post # 7
@MsNarwhal: Wish that was a possibility. Lying on a job application will get you fired from any job, at any time. And all a potential employer has to do is contact my former company or boss and hear that my reason for leaving was “involuntary.” Legally, that’s all they can say.
Post # 8
@Ms. Martian: yup…almost 2 years….depressing.
Obviously it’s not on my resume, but you do have to answer those questions on applications. Some give you a space to type your own response, like “would like to discuss in person,” others make choose from a drop down menu, so you have to choose “terminated” or the dreaded “fired.”
I’m about to start contacting my former boss and try to play nice with her to get a letter of reference. This will most likely not work out.
Post # 9
I’m so sorry about all that.
Did you try to file a wrongful termination suit from the first job? Did you have that paper-trail on the one employee?
You are right though, lying on your resume or “doctoring” your resume really is the worst thing you could do. Because all a potential employer needs to do is a quick reference or background check and your lie will be uncovered.
I really hope you are able to find a more forgiving employer, this economy is really tough right now for all job seekers.
I’m sending you good thoughts and I really hope something does come through.
Post # 10
Maybe Canadian law is different but I have never had to disclose why I left on a job application!
What about going through an employment agency? Typically they are paid by the employer.
Good luck trying to get the reference letter! I really hope it works out for you.
Post # 11
Perhaps you can work with a recruiting/staffing firm? That way you can explain the situtation and hopefully they’ll be able to help direct your job search.
Post # 12
Unless the applications you’re filling out ask for a reason why you left your previous job, then I definitely would not volunteer that information unless someone asks. I also would not put it on my resume. I would just put my dates of employment. I would let them call your previous employer if they want and don’t lie if they ask, but you don’t need to put “terminated” on your resume.
ETA: just saw your last post, so you can basically disregard everything I wrote. 🙂
Post # 13
This is so awful! Have you considered doing temp work? This will allow you a foot in the door, which seems to be all you need to prove yourself and work your way up.
Post # 14
@KatNYC2011: actually, I wasn’t “wrongfully terminated.” Employment with this company is “at will.” meaning, you can be fired for any reason at any time, no contracts. However, this seems to only apply (and be utilized) with managment or salaried based employees only. I actually tried to use this as a reason to terminate my disgruntled employee, and was obviously not permitted to follow through with it. I investigated my termination with HR and several lawyers. No case unless I could prove what she said. Iunsuccessfully tried to get my former employees who supported me to make statements and they declined fearing termination as well.
As far as working with a recruiting/staffing firm or temp agency, no such luck. Recruiters are of no help, there’s too many people unemployed and I can get the same information and apply. Temp agencies basically don’t existhim my area unless you are willing to travel to Philadelphia which is way to far to drive with gas, tolls. Sigh.
I really feel helpless. Depressed. Angry. Ashamed. Worthless. Especially with all the negative flack the unemployed are getting. It’s not as easy as you think and the longer youfog without a job, the worse you look. Like something is wrong with you.
Post # 15
i know what you mean. i’ve been unemployed for over two years now (by 4 days…i lost my job on january 14, 2010). i was laid off, and at the time i was 6 months pregnant. my husband died 6 weeks later, and i had my son 5 weeks after that. the timing of my layoff pretty much destroyed any small hope i had of finding a job quickly. the job market in the area was pretty much nonexistent anyway, but the timing kinda put the nails in the coffin if you know what i mean. i’ve probably applied for nearly 300 jobs and have yet to get a single callback. it’s really depressing. i’m on EB right now too…i certify with unemployment one more time next week, and that’s it. i’ll officially be a 99er after that. i keep saying that SOMEthing has got to give, but so far nothing has. i even moved to a more populated/diverse area last september and still nothing. it looks pretty bleak.
Post # 16
Technically, since you are receiving unemployment benefits, you were not terminated for misconduct because that would mean you would be ineligible for benefits. When you filed, the company had to give them a reason, and since you were accepted, misconduct was not the reason they gave. So what I would say, since it’s so common right now, is that you were terminated due to restructuring. So, when a new employer calls to check your references, HR will tell them the dates you worked and verify that you were terminated. You’re telling the truth and you can avoid discussing the issue. They can’t go into detail further than that because you can sue them if they slander you in anyway (which anyone can claim so HR just doesn’t mess with it, especially in large companies). Find someone that you did work with that you maintained a good relationship with and have them act as your reference. In fact, have them write you a nice reference and attach that when you send resumes. Termination isn’t the kiss of death anymore.
My SO was terminated twice in a year both because the companies were losing money and laying off people (1400 were fired in one DAY from the first company) and he’s been able to not only get 2 jobs, but his current job actually pays 10K more than the first job he was terminated from. He used his references to speak for him. And he had to write ‘terminated’ on 2 jobs in a 6 month period.