Post # 16
Not American, but tipping culture has become gross. Tipping is supposed to be for over and above service, not a default expectation. And yes, I worked those jobs. Our local minimum wage is not diminished by tips either.
Post # 17
Servers would end up making far less than they do now if they get paid minimum wage. People will stop tipping or drastically cut the tip. We don’t tip others whom we know make minimum wage, after all. I probably would put a couple dollars on the table, but I wouldn’t be calculating a 20% tip like I do now.
Wait staff can make great money with tips. I really don’t think they’ll end up liking the change, should it come to pass.
Post # 18
For the argument that minimum wage isn’t enough to live on – why don’t you tip for other minimum wage jobs then? What makes serving in a restaurant different?
When you go to McDonald’s and it’s packed with people, why don’t they get tips when they make min wage too?
I’m in a place now where you don’t tip for dinner and the service is amazing compared to what we get in Canada. Every restaurant has felt like a 5 star fancy place to eat because of the service and they don’t do it for tips so it’s for me thinking. Especially because I have never understood the tipping culture in the first place but do it anyway.
Post # 19
I would happily. I’m not of the mindset, “Why should I.” I prefer to. I am lucky to be able to enjoy going out and being waited on.
Post # 20
mrspuppylove : yes because they are still *serving* you. Just like a still tip my hair dresser 20% or more when the service already costs 150+. My husband and I are firm believers in tipping services that *serve* you. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer it’s just individual perspective.
Post # 21
I’ll be honest, my husband and I don’t generally tip unless the server went above and beyond or was incredibly nice and friendly. I understand that minimum wage is tough to live on, but completely doable because I’ve done it myself before for a number of years. So we don’t tip if they did their job in bringing us food or taking our order. Unless they did something extra that wasn’t expected or they were beyond their normal friendly attitude to customers, we just don’t do it. Disagree if you want but that’s our honest answer.
Post # 22
I would still tip. Minimum wage is NOT enough to live off of ….. however I tip according to the service I feel I have received. Exceptional service = exceptional tip .
Post # 23
DoubleD : Do you tip the McDonald’s person who *serves* you? Why/why not?
Post # 24
In high school I worked at a Dunkin Donuts and a Taco Bell. Both just above minimum wage. I got tips at Dunks, but not at the Bell even though they are essentially the same damn job. I took orders through a headset, made food/drinks, and worked a cash register. No one in my entire life has been able to explain why those jobs have different tip expectations.
Also I’m pretty sure that the laborers that my roofer and landscaper employ make minimum wage too and I don’t tip them for their service. I provide my clients with a service and they don’t tip me. Any time you pay someone else to do a task you don’t want to do for yourself you are being “served” and I wish tipping could go back to being something extra for exceptional service and not an expectation. As it is servers are tipped based on the value of the food you ordered….it’s the same level of effort if I order a $10 dish or a $60 dish and yet the second server makes more? That’s also ridiculous.
Post # 25
I would tip according to the quality of service, rather than now where I just blindly tip 20% unless the service was exceptionally bad or exceptionally good. Now, I still tip even if the service is bad, I probably wouldn’t tip for bad service in the proposed situation. This tends to be more how I tip hairdressers/nail techs right now. If it’s bad, no tip. If its good, small tip. If it’s great, big tip.
I also don’t really get the minimum wage isn’t enough argument, since there are tons of minimum wage jobs that don’t get tipped, including other customer service jobs. Hell, there are people that work on commission that will spend hours working only with you and if you don’t decide to buy, they make nothing. I’m not sure what makes servers so special in this respect.
Post # 26
kcoast : I said it in the last post about tipping and I will say it again in this one, how hard isn’t it to throw down even a few dollars? Again, what is consider above and beyond? Magic tricks, telepathically reading your order, bringing a basket of puppies to your table….please tell me.
A servers minimum wage is often $2.13 and they have to tip other staff a percentage of your bill so they will be paying To serve YOU. If you and your husband do not tip then you should be eating at places such as Panera where the staff do not live off of tips.
Post # 27
SithLady : But look at the service you get at the places where the staff are paid minimum wage. Would you want to go out to a nice fancy dinner and get Burger King service? People forget that going out to restaurants is a luxury and not a necessity. So if you cannot afford to add on a tip you should cook at home.
Post # 28
SithLady : servers are special in that many of them believe the proper recourse for being underpaid is to complain to their clientele instead of their employer or their government representatives who set the minimum wage.
Post # 29
In California I believe servers actually make state minimum wage. I live in the Bay Area, so the state minimum wage is a few dollars lower than local minimum wages. I am not sure what servers and bartenders make at the local restaurants per hour. I still tip 18-22% when I go out to eat if service is good. It is pretty rare that I tip less and I go out every weekend. I tip less for coffee and I tip bartenders based on the drink. A cocktail will get more of a tip than a beer. I also tip slightly less for places that pass on surcharges to customers for things like employee heath care. I know this is not fair to the server, but these charges can be $3.50+ per bill. I tend to avoid these places.
Post # 30
I’d tip more of a flat fee. I don’t understand how ordering steak vs chicken, or a cocktail vs soda (assuming both are picked up at the bar) means the waiter should be paid more.