Post # 91
Come on, OP. You know the right thing to do. Chances are good you’ll get the day off anyway, so don’t cheapen yourself and resort to dishonesty for a stupid reason. Remember, integrity is all about how you act when no one else is watching.
Post # 92
Ok to put an end to this, I took some of your advice into account and scheduled the sick day in the system, then talked to my boss just to give him a heads up and make sure it was ok. He basically rolled his eyes at me and agreed that there’s nothing going on tomorrow and that it was totally fine.
I’m here to assist all visitors and when there aren’t any expected visitors then I’m just filling a seat, no harm no foul to any of my co-workers. You can be sure that I wouldn’t even think about taking off if I knew it would negatively impact any one else.
I’m a stresser and an overthinker and wanted some input before I got in over my head.
And it wasn’t about the money or getting paid for the holiday, it’s about having the time away from this desk that I sit at all day every day. I cherish the few days I get and I would honestly buy vacation days if that were an option. My home life is my first priority, not work. And for those worried about my career and the future impact, my husband and I are PCS’ing with the military in May and I will switch to being a SAHW/SAHM after the move. I don’t have much time left here anyway and am not expecting anything to happen between now and then but I don’t want to burn my vacation days and not be able to take any time away in the next few months. Not to mention that by the time I start thinking about work after kids these references will long be irrelevant.
Thanks for all the input ladies (positive and negative) I honestly didn’t intend to get such a strong response but I appreciate the insight nonetheless.
Post # 93
I’m sure that at some point in your adult life you have told a white lie. Does this make you a KNOWN liar? — absolutely not. If I made a habit of calling in “sick” once a month because I wanted to use all my sick days, sure people might start to call bull shit and think of me as a liar. But faking sick a few times a year? Nobody (at least not in my company) is going to a. consider me a liar or b. consider terminating my employment because of it.
Don’t get me wrong, I think honesty IS the best policy. Some managers are completely fine with employees taking sick time when they are not actually sick but some aren’t. So unless my manager comes to me straight out and says “please tell me if you plan to fake sick so that I can plan around it, I’m okay with that” I am going to continue calling in sick the morning of.
I don’t see my sick time as an “insurance policy” as you described it. It is a benefit that my company offered me as part of my total compensation. If I don’t use it, I am losing that part of my compensation. This is just a difference of opinion and we will probably just have to agree to disagree.
And just to add, I will never fake sick on a day where I know I have important work to do or when my absence would cause more work for somebody else (although that might not be the case for everyone).
Post # 94
I personally am not a fan of PTO.
At my prior two jobs — one was in the public sector, the other for a Fortune 500 company — I received generous amounts of separate vacation and sick time. I was very thankful to have received that, because I have had a number of health issues throughout my career, and I had weeks of accrued sick leave to use when I needed it. At my current job (in a rural area where I relocated after marrying my DH), I work for a wonderful company that is too small to even be required to provide FMLA. Employees receive 13 days of PTO a year. Because I don’t want to forgo the opportunity to take vacation (my husband works weekends as well as most weekdays, so we don’t really have weekends to do things together most of the time), I have gone to work while very sick and miserable many times. I would never have dragged myself out of bed to work in those instances if I had a separate pool of sick leave.
Currently, I am in the midst of a many-weeks-long, unpaid leave of absence from my job due to a recent major surgery. I am extremely thankful that my healthcare benefits are through my husband’s job and that my employers are kind and gracious enough to hold my job for me and have agreed to take me back once I am able to return to work, even though the law does not require them to do so.
I honestly don’t know how some people survive with such small amounts of PTO and no separate pool of sick leave if they have no other source of benefits or income, because one surgery or major illness for the employee or a family member could wipe a person out. However, I do understand that small employers such as the company for which I work cannot possibly provide the kinds of leave and benefits that a much larger employer or government entity could provide. I don’t hold the small amount of PTO against them, because they couldn’t afford to do otherwise and still be profitable.
I DO, however, blame the fact that, throughout the working world, so many employees erroneously believe that they are “entitled” to take their accrued sick leave when they are not actually sick as the reason that so many employers have abandoned the concept of separate pools of sick leave and have instead embraced the concept of PTO.
Post # 95
I’ve been contemplating this…I’m in a weird going “on-call” position right now at my current job so I probably am just taking it off without pay.
Post # 96
Right?? Who knew that “should I take a sick day off” would generate 7 pages of responses! Cray cray.
Post # 97
If you lie about being sick when you want the day off to prepare for a NYE party you are a liar. Your boss finds out about it, you are a known liar. And although I may have told white lies in my life I certainly do NOT tell white lies at work.
You say you don’t think of your sick leave as an insurance policy for if you get sick … but that doesn’t change the fact that that is what it is. There is no agreeing to disagree — you’re wrong. If it were simply compensation you would simply be given a number of days of paid time off to use as you please (whether sick or vacation or whatever … the PTO some PP are referring to) and that would be it. If you are given sick days, specifically, they are for SICKNESS. You are the reason some work places have to police their employees like children by requiring a doctor’s note for sick leave.
It sounds like OP has now been honest with her boss and got what seems to have been (a begrudging?) “okay” to take a sick day. It is between her and her boss if the boss thinks it is okay. She’s taking a sick day for the party, but at least it sounds like she didn’t lie about it (although we don’t know what she means by “[I] talked to my boss about it.” I’m assuming (hoping) she doesn’t mean she told him she feels sick. )
Post # 98
Wait what is a sick day anyway? Do you have like 20 sick days per year you are allowed to stay at home if you are actually sick? What if you need more days? Do you need to trade in your vacation days?
Post # 99
So you distinguish between lies told at work and lies not told at work? Lying is lying no matter where or who you do it to. If you never lie to people at work but lie all the time to people in your personal life, people at work may still consider you a liar.
I never claimed that lying about being sick doesn’t make me a liar in that instance but it doesn’t give me a reputation of being a liar. People at my work place don’t think of me as “that woman who lies about being sick” just because I fake it a few times a year (and yes there are people at work that I do confide in about what I actually did on my day off).
My sick time was presented to me in my employment offer as PART OF MY TOTAL COMPENSATION PACKAGE not as “here is a sick leave insurance policy, should you get sick and need time off”. I obviously cannot speak the same about how yours was presented to you but please do not assume to tell me how a benefit at my company was offered to me.
If you work for a company that “polices their employees like children” because employees occasionally call out sick when they’re not then I pity you. Fortunately, my company understands that I’m an adult and I take the occassional “mental health day”.
Post # 100
I would just use a vacation day. My only concern about using a sick day or pretending to be sick is that if something were to show up on social media, you could get in more trouble. However, I have to imagine your boss is probably aware that people may be “calling in sick” or taking vacation days on a holiday. In my company this year, 90% of the company saved up their vacation/sick days and used them to have the whole week of Christmas off.
Can you ask your boss if you can take a half day? Otherwise, it really doesn’t seem as if your absence will really be noticed, so I’d take the vacation day.
Post # 101
Typically salaried employees get offered sick time as part of their benefits package. For me personally I was awarded 10 sick days per year. I can use these days when I am sick to stay home and avoid getting others sick. I can also use these for doctors visits, children’s doctor visits, Vet appointments for my dog, Etc.
In my company if you need more days than 10 consecutively you would go on short term disability but I think (may be wrong) that you have to use any vacation days you have before short term disability kicks in.
Post # 102
It sounds as though your experience with PTO and vacation/sick leave has been very different from mine. I can understand why if you were someone who required a lot of sick time, that having to take PTO time for it and sacrifice your vacaton time would be frustrating. I never thought of it that way before.
But on the other end, I am (fortunately) not somebody who uses a lot of sick time. So getting 10 sick days is a waste for me. I would much rather they just be lumped in with my vacation as PTO.
“I DO, however, blame the fact that, throughout the working world, so many employees erroneously believe that they are “entitled” to take their accrued sick leave when they are not actually sick as the reason that so many employers have abandoned the concept of separate pools of sick leave and have instead embraced the concept of PTO.”
That statement of yours says to me that maybe there are more people in the corporate world in my situation than in yours and employers have adapted to it hence adopting the general PTO policy.
Honestly, the major reason why I fake sick a few times a year is because for the past 2.5 years I have only had 10 days of actualy vacation time. That is simply not enough. This year I got married and used 7 days right there. Should I not be able to spend time with my family at christmas or take a day off to attend a friend’s wedding because my company only gave me 10 days? If all of time vacation/sick time was the same then I wouldn’t have to fake being sick in order to attend my friend’s Friday wedding. Next year I will get 15 days of vacation (hooray!) so I should not have to use any sick time for things other than being sick.
Post # 103
I think whether or not you’re a fan of PTO depends on how much you get. I just reached 5 years with my company in 2015 so now I accrue about 28 days of PTO per year. It was 23 before that. My health is excellent, so even with two weeks of vacation time (and time for routine dr visits, appointments that can’t be scheduled during non working hours, etc) I still end up with a big surplus that rolls over until I have accrued up to 1.5x my yearly amount.
I think we get so much discretionary PTO because we don’t get very many paid holidays at my company.
Post # 104
I definitely agree that more PTO is better than less. 🙂
If I had my preference, however, I personally would still choose to have the type of benefits system that I had with one of my previous employers, which offered separate pools of accrued vacation and sick leave. I actually received four weeks vacation (this number was based on my years of service there), plus three personal days that I could take in a circumstance such as the one about which the OP posted), plus the normal number of paid holidays, PLUS a ton of sick time that would accrue indefinitely. (Accrued vacation time was capped at a high number of weeks.)
This allowed me to plan for and take scheduled vacation days, take a day off for something special or urgent without any advanced notice and without “calling in sick” (personal day) up to three times a year, and STILL have a very generous balance of accrued sick leave for any actual illnesses, doctor’s appointments, or necessary medical procedures. We also had the option of purchasing short and long-term disability insurance.
As I noted above, however, I absolutely do understand and even sympathize with the owners of small businesses and start-ups who cannot possibly offer those extremely generous kinds of employee benefits and still remain in business.
Post # 105
And how many of us are posting while at work? Ha.