(Closed) VENT – Cannot believe this

posted 7 years ago in Wellness
Post # 3
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3798 posts
Honey bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

Could you come over to the united states and please be an advocate for us to see the light and dump our idiot health care policies?

I hate our health care. America is very much ‘everyone for themselves’, and the message is, unless you are killing yourself at a 40/hr week job with little to no vacation/sick time, then why do you deserve health care?

Believe me, you are not the only one that wonders this. As a nation, we can be very selfish. We don’t always look out for the greater good. There are many great pros to living in this country, but…there are also many cons. Why we do not put the health of our citizens first, I will never understand. Thank god I am a healthy person, otherwise I do not know what I would do. I fear everyday that I will some how lose my health benefits, because I don’t know what I would do. It is impossible to afford coverage out of pocket.

Post # 4
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515 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2011 - Clark Gardens

When I think about the service I receive at government sponsored services (post office, etc.) it makes me really nervous to hand over ALL of our healthcare responsibilities to the government. One sponsored option for the government to provide care for those who don’t have health insurance is a great idea. But I don’t think it should completely replace all of the privately owned and privately funded organizations that raise millions of dollars and develop countless vaccines, cures, and advancements in medicine.

Post # 5
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602 posts
Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

I would LOVE the government to really step up its game in a lot of areas but ultimately I think that Americans as a whole would have a really hard time paying the taxes necessary to enact those policies. 

I think that people get so hung up on what cut the governement is taking and not really thinking about what they could get in return (a higher quality of life for one).   I get so sad thinking about student loans and non-existant maternity leave– I am lucky though and have health coverage through my employer.

Post # 6
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

Even if America ever offers it, they will run it into the ground like Social Security and everything else they have their hands on.

Depressing.

Post # 7
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4824 posts
Honey bee

Well we do have medicare and medicaid which are government programs that cover a lot of people.

Also its not really hard to get coverage. IE you only have to work 20 hours at Starbucks to get medical coverage. I know many people that have done this.

There is private insurance

There is a spouses insurance if your own employer doesnt provide it.

Educational institutions provide affordable coverage if you dont have it and attend one.

You can be on your parents coverage until you are 25

There is cobra if someone is laid off

So really there is a ton of options, you just have to know what they are and be willing to work for it or make a few sacrifices. 

I have a large medical issue and I make it a priority to always have insurance.

Post # 8
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

@mrsBtoBee:

Most Americans would like to have universal health care. Especially the uninsured ones. Insurance companies do not want that. One of these has more money than the other… guess who wins.

 

Post # 9
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: December 2010

Well, there are several parts to this equation.  First of doctor’s salaries are really high here in the U.S. compared to other countries.  Also, people here are unwilling to pay the higher taxes that would guarantee us education and universal healthcare (too Socialist for them).  And lastly, there are a lot of people who have a very Libertarian viewpoint, as in, “Why should the government be required to give you you medical care?”

So, until those issues are addressed, we will not have adequate healthcare for most of the population.  That said, I’m told that the hospitals and facilities in Britain and Canada are awful compared to our private hospitals. So, if you can afford it or you have insurance, you’re at least guaranteed a nicer hospital room. lol

Post # 10
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: December 2009

I know my opinion differs vastly from the majority, but I’d rather skimp and save and due without other luxuries and be able choose/pay for my own care.  I would hate to have healthcare provided for me at the risk that it wasn’t the best quality or readily available.  Healthcare is expensive, yes…And there have been many times in my life where I’ve gone without alot of other luxuries (cable, eating out, movies, minimal grocery budget, etc) in order to pay for the healthcare.  With that aside, I do believe there needs to be reform and things changed….but government provided healthcare is not something I am pro.

Post # 11
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Newbee
  • Wedding: July 2012

The NHS isn’t perfect, but it works when it comes to feeling unwell or needing urgent medical treatment, there’s nothing better than knowing that you don’t have to worry about paying for it all at the end! It sucks enough losing out on work/school, without getting a nice bill at the end! The system has flaws, sure. But I personally feel like it works, as someone who has needed constant medical help from birth (I have chronic asthma, along with several other medical issues) I appreciate that I don’t have to worry about paying for the medication that saves my life. I’ve only recently started paying prescription charges, but I don’t mind because it’s worth paying the small price for something I rely on. 

I agree with the OP, I think everyone should be entitled to healthcare provided by the government. It might be expensive for them… but it’s the best use of taxes in my opinion! It baffles me how they don’t have it already, or haven’t had it for years!

One thing I wish they WOULD charge for over here though, is paying for delivery of babies and any drugs they decide to have, like they do in the States. Would lower our birthrate DRAMATICALLY, I think 😀 

Post # 12
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

@PutABirdOnIt:

I can’t speak to Britain or Canada, but I find that my medical care in Sweden is comparable to what I received (insured) in the US. My dad died of cancer in the US. After all the insurance &c. the remaing balance was slightly over a quarter million dollars. They were sending him collection notices in hospice. His house, his business, the things he’d worked his whole life building… it’s all gone to cover those bills. That would never happen here.

 

Post # 13
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1927 posts
Buzzing bee

I’m really against National Health Care.  I agree with those who have said they would never trust the government to provide adequate care.  Therefore, there would still need to a private option for those who can afford it.  So in order to get the care I want I would have to continue to pay for private insurance (at a much higher price because the cost would be spread among less people) AND have to pay taxes to cover the insurance of all of those who can’t afford private health care.  So they get free health care (which isn’t even that great), and I get screwed.  I think improving Medicare and Medicaid is a much better option that nationalizing health care.  You have to remember that America is a country built on the fundamentals of capitalism and so we should ideally try to avoid situations allowing for freeloaders whenever possible.

Post # 14
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: January 2015

“We should ideally try to avoid situations allowing for freeloaders whenever possible.”

Yeah I just hate it when the working poor go and get cancer! Why should they deserve proper medical treatment? They could just be freeloading off of the government!

Post # 15
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1723 posts
Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2012

Has anyone been to the post office?  Where they’ve got 1 person working and you have to stand in line for an hour and then someone is annoyed when they must help you?  (Please no one take offense to this – it is a general blanket statement of experieces and by no means speaks for all post offices).  

I would not like my doctor’s visits to be like that.  I am all for everyone getting health care because we are all humans and of value.  However, what happens when the government can’t budget correctly and health care runs out of money?  Then what do we do?  I also don’t want to bust my hump becuase I have to pay for myself AND the lazy dude who doesn’t want to get a job. (yes, again – blanket statement.  I understand the job market sucks right now).  The flip side of that opinion is how do we tell the difference between guy who CAN’T get a job and guy who WON’T?  I have no idea.  

There are many arguments on both sides of the coin and folks are probably never going to agree, but it is interesting to get opinions from PPs in other countries.

Post # 16
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2010

@MrsCoachBtoBee:

eh I think you’re paying for the “lazy dude who doesn’t want to get a job” now while he is on medicaid AND additionally you’re paying for yourself.

I work in healthcare and I think in general as a country we need to focus more on preventative medication.  We also need to learn how to die sometimes.  The amount of money we spend on the last six months of life trying to get every last day possible is baffling sometimes.  We spend a lot of money as a nation on chemo and interventions in terminal patients and that could be money better spent. 

I just think that someone having to weigh the benefits of going to the ER b/c they can’t breathe is really sad and there are a lot more working poor than lazy people who don’t ‘want to work’. 

 

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