Post # 1
So I was offered a position verbally and accepted, they needed to go through a process of getting the position approved through corporate as it is a new position.
I just found out Monday that the position was approved and official, and due to the computer system they wanted me to put an application in so they could have me in the system and hire me, they said this process would take about a week. I was assured that I had the position and they were not interviewing or looking at other applicants, but that they had to go through the company process of getting me on board.
The issue is that I have a two month notice period I need to give at my current position, which they know about and are willing to be very flexible with. I was told not to give notice until the position was approved just in case, but now that the position is approved theres no reason not to move forward.
So I went ahead and put my notice in. Now I’m in a bit of a panic thinking I may have done that too hastily. But with a two month notice period I really needed to do it as soon as I could. Technically all of these talks so far have been verbal and there really is nothing in writing. I have worked for this company (in a different department) for 2 years, I don’t have any reason not to trust them. But I’d be really screwed if sometime between now and two months from now things fell through. But when I think about it too, most job offers I have received in the past have been verbal (over the phone) accepting a position and actual paperwork was not completed until my first day on the job, so perhaps this isn’t something to worry about. I just need to wait the week for them to begin the onboarding process- I am just working myself up I guess.
I don’t know bees, did I do the right thing? Do you think I’ll be okay?
Post # 2
That’s odd that they offered you the job prior to you applying to the job. The way it works in our system is we open the position for applications. Then we interview, pick a candidate, make a verbal offer, put that we made the verbal offer to a candidate and whether or not they accepted and then it becomes accepted-onboarding until the person starts and then it switches over to approved-active.
What has your current job said about you submitting your termination? Is there a chance if this new job falls through you have that to fall back on?
Post # 3
otterbee : do you at least have an email from someone confirming the job? I think you’ll probably be fine, but in the future I wouldn’t give notice without a written offer of employment.
Post # 4
otterbee : NO. A verbal offer is not sufficient—even less so that they told you the position hasn’t even been approved yet. While it was highly irresponsible of them to give you an offer (much less post or interview you for the damn job and they aren’t even sure if it’ll materialize), it was also irresponsible on your behalf to put in your notice without a formal offer, in writing.
you may want to go to your manager and tell them that your offer is not solidified yet, and that you just wanted to give them a heads-up that you may be leaving soon it formally offered the position. clarify that it was NOT a notice to vacate your position—IN WRITING.
as a corporate recruiter, I see positions proposed and shot down all the time—and the decisions from the SVPs can take weeks for a response…even if it’s a “no”.
Post # 5
My husband had the exact same thing happen. He was essentially recruited by someone he interned for, who hired him and then had to create the role and go through the proper channels. I don’t think that in itself is that strange, but I personally would not have put notice in until I received the written offer. I also would have told them so, to help keep things moving along. I am guessing this will all work out fine, but I would keep the pressure up to get the written offer.
Post # 6
In my career I have never given my notice to my current job without first receiving a signed offer letter from my new job. I also make it clear to my new job that I will not be giving notice until I receive the letter. It’s not my fault if that causes any sort of delay in my giving notice. My view is if you want me that bad and that soon, get that offer letter typed up super fast, lol.
Having said that, if I were in your position, since you’ve already handed in your notice, I would request an offer letter from them. The offer letter isn’t just to memorialize you have the job. It should spell out your agreed upon salary, bonus, and benefits so there is no confusion.
In my current position, after I started I realized I had less vacation days than I assumed I would have. When I approached HR, they refered me to my offer letter and sure enough, they were right. If it had all been verbal I would be looking at my current company side eyed because I really thought/assumed I had more days.
Post # 7
otterbee : So, this is a position in the same company but different department?
I have seen things like this happen in my company (I’m a recruiter), we’ll know about an opening but haven’t had the paperwork officially signed off on, but we’ll interview internal candidates. Once it’s approved, we can list it in our ATS and then have the internal candidate complete whatever necessary application so that they are attached to that job in our ATS for onboarding and what not.
I worked in a different department prior to going into recruiting at my company, it was a newly added position as well, so I was interviewed and told I would recieve an offer prior to it actually being “open”. It took a couple months to get an actual written offer, I assume because it took a while for the VP/CEO to sign off on everything.
Of course, I don’t know much about your company so it’s really hard to say if my experience could be similar to yours. In the future, I would not give notice until you’ve been given a formal offer.
Post # 8
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otterbee : I think you jumped the gun by putting in your resignation without having an offer letter in hand, but there’s not much that can be done now. I was once verbally offered a position in September of the year but then a hiring freeze hit (state employer) and didn’t actually get the letter until December of that year, with the agreed upon start date of January of the next year. I didn’t let my current employer know anything until I had the letter in hand, and I actually continued to apply to other jobs in case it fell through. I’m just hoping that this job is in fact approved and that your letter is on the way. I would check in with the new employer and really push for it. Good luck!
Post # 9
I would email the person you have been conversing with to confirm your expected start date for the new position just so you have something in writing. Shit happens, so next time wait until you have a signed offer letter in hand.
Post # 10
Well the new position is in a company I currently work for part time (PRN) on the weekends. But because it’s a different department I had to re-apply. I have several text messages and emails back and forth about the status of the position etc. etc, including the one that says the position is approved and I can start any time after the application goes through. None of these are formal, signed “offer letters” though.
I was recruited through the manager of my department as she knew they were looking for a full time employee in another department and she also knew I was looking for full-time (I had stated I was on a job search and if I had found another job I’d likely have to cut back on my part time hours). She said she’d rather me stay with the company even if its a different department then for them to lose me to someone else (I get the impression I am well liked at this company). I have been to several meetings since then, an informal interview, and I was told the position was mine and after it is approved I can start at any time, but that I should wait for official approval before I put my notice in.
I have confirmed my expected start date through email. I have separate emails regarding salary/hours/benefits. I’m just not sure if this is enough to account for an “offical hiring”?
Post # 11
I also watched them submit for the position with my name as the sole candidate (allowed the position to get approved faster as there wouldn’t be extra costs regarding training/onboarding as I have already trained as a PRN).
I have an in person meeting with her this Friday, and I intend to ask for something in writing. I am just a bit panicked at the moment.
Post # 12
otterbee : I don’t think it’s considered official until the position is approved and you’ve applied to the position. Until then this is all talk about a position that they want you to have.
Post # 13
I’ve been burned with a verbal job offer never materializing, and am crossing my fingers that since you have a relationship with this company already that it doesn’t happen to you.
Post # 14
You jumped the gun. Sounds like you’ll be ok this time, though. Take it as a learning lesson. Also remember to never sign a contract saying you have to give two months notice!!!!!
Post # 15
Please don’t worry about it.
First, at this point there is nothing you can do about it.
Second, there is nothing magical about a written job offer v. an oral one. Most states in the U.S. are at will, which means an employer can terminate you, or rescind a job offer (yes, even a written one) for any reason or no reason, so long as it’s not a discriminatory reason (i.e., they found out you are pregnant, of a certain religion, etc.). So, sure a written job offer is an additional assurance, but it’s not a silver bullet, just like not having a written offer isn’t necessarily a problem. It sounds like you’ve done your best to make sure you have the job, and were kind of between a rock and a hard place with your current agreement.