Post # 121
pearlrose : “If our argument for being pro-choice is the semantics of fetus/baby, or kill/terminate, I think we miss the point that this is all happening inside a person’s body and dramatically influencing their health and life.”
That’s ONE of the many arguments. I didn’t say it was the only one.
I disagree that we’re talking about a “grieving mom who miscarried”–we’re talking about whether a pharmacist has the right to do what he did. If the mom were NOT grieving, it wouldn’t change what we’re talking about, since it’s about the pharmacist.
Post # 122
DeniseSecunda : I usually agree with you but I completely disagree here. I don’t think you and others are advancing the pro-choice cause by rebuking pp for using the word “baby” in a thread about a woman who lost a very much wanted pregnancy. Use the term you want to use; if that’s fetus, then fine, but don’t tell OTHERS – many of whom have experienced the very pain that the woman in the article is going through – to stop using the word “baby” in a thread about miscarriage. Language absolutely does matter, which is why we use different language to refer to the same basic thing depending on the context.
If I were talking to a friend who had an abortion, I’d say “fetus.” If I was talking to someone who had a miscarriage, I’d let their language about the pregnancy loss be my guide. We don’t always have to use scientific terms; as pearlrose mentioned, even DOCTORS do not always use medical terms when dealing with patients – they tweak their language depending on the situation in order to be compassionate and humane. This topic is messy and sensitive and uncomfortable – I get that. I just think it’s presumptuous and inappropriate in a discussion about miscarriage to go around telling other women not to say “baby.”
ETA: I say all this as someone who has had a miscarriage and is also pro-choice.
Post # 124
bluseye : Then you didn’t see my post below where I clarified what that meant.
Post # 125
Why is there a religious objection to allowing a woman to remove an already dead fetus/baby? It’s not alive anymore so there is no potential for life. And it could actually be potential for death if it rots inside the poor woman and she gets sepsis so you potentially have her blood on your hands… I just don’t get it.
Post # 126
EllyAnne : what was the drug interaction? picking up errors is a part of a pharmacists job description. withholding medications and/or giving unsolicited medical advice is not!
Post # 127
We are getting flags on some of the people who agree with the pharmacist.
Please understand in threads like this that everyone is entitled to their opinion so long as it is shared respectfully and is not baiting with fake info or false accusations.
These threads will be a little hotter than a normal bee thread, we are a little more hands off due to the nature of the threads, if that bothers you please consider reading a different thread.
I am not taking down posts for agreeing with the pharmacist.
Thanks! Please continue the excellent discussions you all are having. Please continue to flag if you think something crosses the line.
Post # 128
It never ceases to amaze me that those who profess to be the most morally upright are in truth the ones most lacking in compassion and empathy.
Imagine denying a prescription to a pregnant woman who has just been informed that there is no longer a heartbeat….the cruelty of this is staggering, the poor woman is freshly grieving.
Imagine denying Plan B to a rape victim who is still brutalized and traumatized, likely in shock.
Imagine denying contraception to a woman who is consciously trying to prevent a pregnancy, yet if she gets pregnant you’ll also shame her for considering abortion or shame her for being a single mother if she’s not married or shame her for needing social programs.
Imagine denying hormone replacement therapy to a transgender person who is already struggling with suicidal thoughts over the lack of acceptance and understanding from family. Sending them to another pharmacy could be the final straw of humiliation that breaks them.
Imagine denying clean syringes to someone battling the demon of addictions, you know nothing about what brought them to this but you’ll deny them this one small decency. If they re-use dirty needles and get HIV or hepatitis you’ll judge them for this as well.
Losing faith in humanity.
Post # 129
Well since Anthony Kennedy is retiring and the rightwinger Handmaid’s Tale wannabes get to appoint a second justice (after the first one they stole from Obama), we can all look forward to inability to access these meds soon…. >:(
Post # 130
RobbieAndJuliahaha : This is exactly why pro choice advocates fight so hard, not just because women should have medical autonomy, but because the very precedent of “pro-life” argument creates situations like this, where even when the woman is having a miscarriage, she can be denied help.
We are certainly at a moral crossroads right now, and it’s really ugly and sad to see people using the Bible to justify such hatred and cruelty.
Post # 131
RobbieAndJuliahaha : + one million.
Using religion as an excuse is just a way for people to judge others and think they are ‘holier than thou.’ It is a never ending cycle.
What happened to the separation of religion and Government? This is something we supposedly pride ourselves on in the U.S. but I have yet to see any distinction. Religion, more specifically Catholicism or Christianity, are running this country and overstepping into basic Human Rights. Why do *your* beliefs have any power over *my* rights?
Post # 132
I can’t imagine the strength of this woman in this situation. Had I been in her shoes I would have been so angry I would have burned that whole damn building to the ground and sacrificed the pharmacist to our dark lord Nicolas Cage. I give her so much credit that she handled it so well, cause honestly I would not have.
Post # 133
slomotion : Yep same. I seriously would have deteriorated into a screaming crying ball of rage and would have had to be escorted out. I read her Yelp review and it’s so matter of fact…idk how she held it together so well.