Post # 17
@menobride.. I don’t think attacking her is really going to help her (or the dog) at all.
You really do need to give the dog some more time to adjust. He is in a new place with new people and it will take him a little while to feel comfortable and get onto a schedule, even if he was previously potty trained. You say that you can’t enjoy him because even when you are home you are worried that he is peeing somewhere. This tells me that you are letting him have free reign over your whole house. When you introduce a dog to a new environment you really need to limit his space. It will make your life easier and it will create less stress on the dog. While he is still learning to be trained in your house any time he is out of the crate he should be directly in your sight. Buy a few baby gates (they are cheap at target or walmart) so you can confine him to be where you are. Then, anytime he starts to have an accident follow the previous poster’s suggestion of yelling “no” and taking him directly outside to his spot. As he gets trained you can increase the space available to him. I would say you should give him some more time before you give up on him. Having a dog is a big responsibility but also a very rewarding one. Good luck!
Post # 18
I’m in shock with the number of people who replied with “you aren’t a bad person for bringing him back”…THAT’S HORRIBLE! If you had a child and it took longer to potty train him/her then expected would you bring them back??? You made a committment to this poor guy!
And, did you not realize how long you were gone during the day before you decided to get a dog? Because I find it hard to believe you didn’t even CONSIDER that before going and picking out a dog to bring hom.
I have 3 dogs and 2 cats. The dogs ages 2 years, 11 months, 5 months, and I can tell you it isn’t easy. The “middle” dog is fearfully aggressive. I don’t want an aggressive dog, NO ONE DOES (just like no one wants a dog who pees in the house), but am I going to return him to the shelter? Heck no! Instead I’ve invested hours and plenty of money into books and training and I’m trying my darndest to help him. More times then not my entire weekend is dedicated to working with him.
Don’t make your dog another shelter statistic! And even if they don’t put down dogs, if you bring him back that prevents them from being able to rescue a different dog that could be on death row as we speak.
Post # 19
Agree w/@Menobride- well said.
Also I hate to say it but you said the dog is crated for 10 hours/day then 6+ at night, that is a long time. If you do take this dog back (which I hope you don’t, give him a chance and get some doggy training) then I don’t suggest getting another dog until your lifestyle changes and you can spend more time training a dog and he spends less time in a crate…10 hours is a lot w/out any bathroom breaks through the day for any breed of dog and regardless of their age.
Post # 20
I don’t think Menobride is attacking her but just voicing her opinion on the subject. As someone who has volunteered at a shelter I must say this situation is one that is seen so much that it just get infuriating! People think oh a cute dog, lets get it then get home and don’t realize they don’t have the time, patience or space to have a dog. Then they bring the dog back to the shelter when they shouldn’t have got it in the first place. The dog suffers the most because when another person goes to adopt it they can look in the file and see why it was brought back. I just feel bad for this dog and hope that it gets a good loving patient home that understands dogs (and any animal) aren’t perfect and they take time to adjust and some training.
Post # 21
We are first time dog owners. The shelter said it was fine to crate for 10 hours…now I feel guilty doing it. I really didn’t expect to be so attacked on the bee. I wanted advice on the subject. I’m trying my best. I really want to keep the dog, but my husband thinks we aren’t being fair to him. We’ve thought about a dog for awhile, and we really want to make it work. Evertime we go outside for him to use the bathroom we give him at least 20 minutes, so don’t accuse me of rushing him or anything like that. Thanks to those of you who gave constructive advice who don’t have an agenda to beat up someone who just isn’t sure what is best for her new dog.
Post # 22
You have to understand that the Pet/Baby sections of Bees do get heated because people have different ways of raising pets/kids. And everyone thinks that their way is the “correct” way, I am totally guilty of this too! Everyone has different life experiences, thus different opinions. That is the beauty and sometimes, annoyance of the internet.
I am also a former shelter volunteer, a lot of us that flock to the pet board do get upset if someone is even considering taking a dog back to a shelter (no kill or not) because we understand that a dog’s chance for adopting after that is basically nil. Shelter/adoption dogs do have a long adjustment period even if they are “housebroken” and it can even be months before your dog is settled in. I agree with the people who said, that you should limit your dog’s range of the house and that he has to earn more freedom by not peeing on your things.
How long are you walking Mr. Dog each day? He should be getting 2 walks, an hour each everyday minimum, imo. Dogs need a lot of exercise and often times that will help with problems.
I am going to stress again: please invest in a trainer, esp if you are a first time dog owner. A good trainer will teach you how to deal with day to day situations and give you fun and challenging activities for you and your dog.
Post # 23
I understand that everyone has an opinion, but I’m just shocked at how harsh people are coming across. I really want what’s best for the dog, and I am trying to figure it all out.
We take him out for walks in the evening everyday, but in the morning we’ve just played with him in the backyard instead of the walk. We’ll add the second walk to see if that helps.
Post # 24
Sorry, I added a little more to my post. And I promise you a second walk will help.
Post # 25
Gosh, I’m really sorry you were attacked, hun! You most definitely don’t deserve it.
First, about the crating. It’s okay. 10 hours a day is fine. Dogs are different than humans in that way. We actually just had a trainer come over to our house because we adopted a shelter dog about five weeks ago, and he said dogs typically sleep 15-18 hours per day, and that’s normal.
Second, about the peeing. Your dog could be housebroken, actually. With dogs though, as some have said (especially shelter dogs), it takes weeks to become familiar with a routine. Your dog is probably just really scared and anxious, and is trying to please you, but isn’t aware of the routine yet. He’s had a lot of instability in his life, and that’s probably why he’s peeing everywhere.
Our dog is a year old, and the shelter told us she was housebroken as well. She definitely had accidents her first few weeks, and about a week ago, it stopped completely. She now knows her routine, and we provide positive reinforcement when she goes outside.
So yeah, having a new doggie, even if he was housebroken at some point, will always be an adjustment! If you’d like to keep him, I think it would be worth it for you guys. Possible look into professional training … it’s worth the price for years of good behavior.
I hope that helps!
Post # 26
When you take him out are you making sure to walk him or play ball or something. Sometimes it takes a bit to get their bowels up and working before they can do their business. Also try to assosciate a command with it. When he pees outside say good boy, go potty, etc.
I think after 1 week you are giving up a bit too soon. Leaving a dog alone for 10 hours a day isn’t the worst thing in the world but you do have to spend the time to train him. Thats not going to happen overnight.
I think you should call the shelter and see what they say. You said they foster dogs right? What if you guys kept the dog for a while and they listed him as adoptable for a while. If a better family comes along you guys give him up. If things improve or no family comes up then you keep him.
Post # 27
@Piccateer: I’m sorry if you felt that I attacked you, after reading what I posted it was a bit harsh and I’m very sorry for that. It’s just that I like @Sceeder see that after a dog is returned it has a small chance of adoption. With that said I really do think you are trying your best to be a good mom to your dog and I think that adding a second walk and doing that for 1 hour and giving restrictions on where the dog can go in your home, and just time will help you and your dog. I also hope if those don’t help you try a trainer. I know my mom went to ‘puppy classes’ at pet smart (they seriously have a graduation day it’s adorable) so maybe that is something you can try too as a new family! I wish you, your hubby and your new dog the best of luck at working out the kinks and enjoying being together!
Post # 28
I’m going to give my honest opinion. I know these pet threads always get a little heated so I’ll try to watch my tone.
I think if you don’t feel commited enough to the dog to seek further training after only having it for a week you should take it back to the rescue group or find a home who is willing to put in the time. I also think that getting a new pup when it is going to be crated for 10 hours a day is not a great life for any dog, especially a shelter dog that probably has some issues already.
If you do decide to keep him definitely look into training and maybe doggy daycare. It sounds like he has a nervousness/marking problem that will get better with time, exercise, training and patience.
I should also add Fiance and I are out of the house working for 10 hours a day, 4 days a week. 2 days a week our pup goes to doggy daycare, the other 2 days we have a dog walker.
Post # 29
I’m sorry if you feel attacked but you said “What do you think hive? Does this make me a bad person?” and people responded. You actually didn’t even ask for advice on how to improve the dogs behavior, just asked the hives opinion on what you decided was a resolution (bringing the dog back to the shelter). Those of us who have worked at/volunteered at shelters seem to be the most vocal in responding that we DON’T think its right to return a dog to a shelter after a week. Don’t ask if doing something is wrong if you don’t want to hear honest answers.
Post # 30
I just want to say one thing and that is to not give up. You are giving him a week and are willing to give him up. You felt you wanted a dog and now you have one I think you should do what you can to help him. He is a sheltered dog and will take more than a week to be perfect for you.
Like PP have said, you wouldnt just give up a baby. I would give it more than a week for sure and try to give him some attention at night.
I wish you luck and hope you guys make a little more effort, having a dog can be a really great experience. No one is perfect. But in honesty if you dont feel you can do what an actual pet owner needs to do and not just have a dog for the cute factor well then return him or find a home. You may not be ready for responsibilities like this.
Post # 31
I’d take him on lots of walks, he’s in a new territory and male dogs like to mark things, especially in the beginning as he gets to know his new neighborhood. Does he usually pee right after he comes in from the outside? If so just watch him for a couple minutes and as long as he’s not a traumatized shelter dogs you can always smack a newspaper against your hand for a little extra oomph when you say no. It should get the point across.
If you feel guilty about the crate is there anyone you can hire to dog walk him once a day, or do you have a fenced in yard?