(Closed) What a disgusting pig.

posted 2 months ago in Beehive
Post # 31
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I don’t envision him opening the country back up by Easter out of his concerns for the people. 

I envision him as a bored toddler who can’t go out and do what he wants to do because everything is closed. Because that’s how he behaves.

Hopefully the states will still have control when he demands that everything open again and go back to normal in a matter of weeks

If that happens, what the hell was the point of this? It’s not like it’s an immediate affect and the rates are still climbing, ny hospitals are already overrun

My hope is Cuomo will disregard what trump is saying and do what is right for the state. Don’t open everything back up before we’ve even reached the peak of this spread. When we reach the peak and start on the decline, let’s reassess

I do feel for everyone who is without a paycheck, I really do. This is causing so much damage, I realize that. But imagine the amount of damage that will be done if we stop the social distancing measures and open back up like the toddler wants us to do? 

Post # 32
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Anonymous1063 :  Please tell that to NYC, where we need more social distancing, not less. Hospitals are already close to the limit.  Throwing people back onto the trains and buses will make this worse, not better.

Yes, we will eventually need to make a change, but in many states it has been less than two weeks. We need to listen to the experts about what is needed to flatten the curve enough to keep hospitals from crashing and burning, not a blithering buffoon with a bad rug who cares about profits over people. Announcing an arbitrary date is not the way. Cities and states need to reopen based on individual circumstances, not Jesus coming back from the dead.

My husband’s hospital here in the city is already implementing triage procedures to determine who will get a ventilator and who won’t when they finally run out this week or next. Age and overall physical health are currently at the forefront. Do you want to see grandma die because the bankers just had to get back to work? Do you want your obese cousin to be denied a ventilator at 25 because his odds are worse (as obesity is a serious comorbidity that has many hospitals denying vent use)? Because that’s where we are. We need to ride out this first initial wave, wait for the peak, and then begin to loosen the reins. None of this GOP stance of “sacrifice some oldies to better the economy.”

Post # 34
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Anonymous1063 :  that’s the difference, you’re saying “how far do we go to save lives when we are doing so much damage”. You’re talking about YOUR life. Your parents lives, your grandparents lives, your kids lives, your siblings lives.

Would having your parent die, or your child die be worth it?

I say, fuck no. Let’s continue what we need to do (telling businesses they can’t evict people from their homes, delaying student loan payments and debt payments and hospital collections etc) to get us by for the time being. They expanded unemployment.

It’s a total bandaid but if it saves MY child’s life, we can handle the fall out after

Instead of saying “when do we stop worrying about how many lives are lost” flip it to YOUR life and your loved ones lives.

Because that’s what you’re saying to people. Your life is not more important than the economy, we can deal with your death 

Post # 35
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Maybe it’s because you’re in a state that hasn’t been affected yet. I’m in NY. Have you seen our numbers recently? Our death rates are climbing, they sent us a military ship to use as a hospital for gods sake. When it comes to your state, you’ll be thinking a bit differently 

Staff is having to reuse masks, we are already running low on vents and the numbers are still climbing. They more than double in a three day period 

Post # 36
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raliel :  I can only assume they are in states that haven’t seen an increase yet. Because being in the hardest hit state is terrifying right now

Post # 36
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obviousanonymous :  

Some of us are distracted by yesterday’s EO going after the stuck points in retail supply chains.  There are not a bunch of real shortages.  There is retail supply chain hoarding.

On my planet. the flow of goods has already improved.

Or, perhaps it’s the effective and safe malaria drug getting to bypass FDA thanks to Right to Try.

Maybe nobody in the giant Echo Chamber was listening to Stanford scientists this morning either.

Post # 38
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Sansa85 :  Yep. It’s really fucking hard watching my husband pack his work bag and go back to a hospital where STAFF MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY DIED. “Enjoy your ICU rounds, sweetie. Please try not to pick up COVID-19 from the dozens of infected people you will be seeing and kill us both!” And we live in a Manhattan studio – no quarantining apart from one another in this place. If one of us goes down, the other does, too. 

Post # 39
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I can only imagine what would have happened to any Bee who had created a thread referring to the previous president as a “Disgusting Pig”.

 

Post # 41
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Anonymous1063 :  Well, the car analogy is a false equivalency. As pp said our hospitals are prepared for the amount of car accidents that happen every year – it’s built into the system. There is a reason why hospital systems around the world, in countries with cultures and government systems as diverse as China, Iran, Italy, and now the US, are becoming overwhelmed by coronavirus when that simply doesn’t happen as a result of car crashes. When hospitals are overwhelmed they can’t provide proper treatment so patients who would have lived under normal circumstances now die. This has been explained to Trump probably 900 times by now but he continues bleating on about car crashes and his followers are unfortunately all too happy to parrot him without thinking through the logic. 

 

To the larger point about opening up the economy, I don’t completely disagree. Opening it up fully on Easter is an idiotic idea but continuing in shut down mode for months on end isn’t sustainable either. Low income workers, who are disproportionately people of color, are the ones whose literal lives will be on the line the longer this goes on. Without wages they won’t be able to keep a roof over their head and they may have to forgo medication to buy food. People will die as a result of the shut down just as people will die if we open things up too soon. Unfortunately it will be the low income workers who will be hurt the most if the economy continues in shut down mode for too long, and theyre also the people who will likely get the least help. I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone to downplay that threat… but I also don’t know what the solution is, because it’s clear that getting back to normal too soon will also be catastrophic. 

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