(Closed) What are your thoughts on a “North American Union?”

posted 7 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Would you support a "North American Union?"
    Yes. I think it would be great for our economies and I can see it as similar to the European Union. : (3 votes)
    8 %
    No. I think it would horrible to dismantle three separate nations and conform them into one. : (28 votes)
    70 %
    I'm undecided. I would need more information regarding the proposal before I made a decision. : (9 votes)
    23 %
  • Post # 3
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: May 2011

    I know next to nothing about the issue, but I can see how it could be positive in some ways.

    If Canada and the US had more say in the way Mexico operates I think we could help them to become more stable and less corrupt.

    Also, with how much influence the US has in global affairs I don’t think it’s a bad thing if a few countries had weight in certain decisions that have far reaching consequences.

    The combined currency might be a very good thing as well.

    I’d love to hear some of the possible negative outcomes as I’ve not thought much about this.

    Post # 5
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    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    From my little understanding of the subject, the idea is loosely based on the European Union, and I could be totally wrong in this. The European Union is not as stable as it would appear. Coalitions are gaining momentum in that the wealthier countries of the north are bailing out the financially floundering countries of the south. There are already countries that whole elections are revolving around the concept of pulling out of the EU. If the EU is having such issues so soon after implementation, I am thinking that it would be a total disaster in NA.

    Post # 6
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    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: August 2011

    I personally think this would be HORRIBLE!

    Post # 7
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    Honey bee
    • Wedding: May 2011

    I imagine it would have to do with how much connection there is.

    I know that the EU doesn’t always function as well as it should/could, but I’ve never been under the impression that EU countries make up one single country.

    Having some sort of coalition wouldn’t necessarily mean we are no longer individual countries.

    I can see that voting systems would need to change, but all other changes would really be up to the discretion of the rules of the union. There wouldn’t be anything in particular that would absolutely have to change. It wouldn’t have to be modelled strictly after the EU. I could see it being useful with things such as energy, agriculture, trade, conservation, border issues, transportaion, etc. But keeping out of certain policies, or having limited influence over the majority of issues.

    Do EU countries no longer have other politcal ties?  I’ve always understood that the “commonwealth” idea was more ceremonial now than having any real purpose.

    I agree that it could be utterly terrible, but with so many possibilities in the way it could be structured and run I don’t think you can say for certain that there is no way it could be a positive thing.

    Post # 8
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: July 2011

    Umm… where/when exactly did Harper propose this?

    Post # 10
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2012

    Absolutely horrible idea. No thank you.

    It’s one thing to want it to look like the EU, where the countries are a union but are still very independent of each other politically in other senses, but to amalgamate into one giant North America? No. I already have enough problems explaining to people overseas that I am not American just because I live on the American continent. I like the USA & Mexico but I love my own country as it is!

    Post # 11
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: July 2011

    @west.coast.blonde: Can you link to a non-Alex Jones news source? Or actually, forget that. Just an Alex Jones news source based on actual facts and statements? “New World Order” stuff aside, that first article doesn’t have any actual quote from or fact about Harper. It only makes the completely unfounded claim that his appearance at an event is a de facto endorsement of a North American union.

    I detest Harper, and like pretty much everyone I’ve ever met, I’m against a North American union. But we can make these arguments based on facts, without relying on conspiracy theories or making intellectually irresponsible conclusions. 

    Post # 14
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: July 2011

    Looking at what happened to the EU, I’m not for the idea. Yes, the NAU would have one governing body rather than a connection of independent states but I don’t think that is feasible with the three distinct entities that exist now.

    I’m not sure the American public would be for an official conglomeration. It would mean potentially losing aspects of government and culture that are fiercely defended as being uniquely American and something to be proud of and preserved. It would likely take either the abolishment or amendment to the Constitution and that takes a lot of work- so this would be years away at best, right?

     

    **edit** Looking further, part of it seems to ride on Perry’s proposed Trans-Texas highway which it looks like would require widening 35. There are some large universities and cities that 35 cuts through, this would be a lot of work and likely take quite a few years if not decades. Texas is trying to widen 35 to 3 lanes both ways between Austin and DFW and it’s taking forever. They finally finished widening the split of 35E/W and that took a couple years in and of itself.  (Besides, I see Baylor throwing a hissy fit because it would cut into the newly build “green space” to make us look more Ivy League)

    I have a friend in AU’s polisci department. I may ask him what he knows of it.

    Post # 16
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: September 2010

    Wow. I know nothing about any of this, but my gut says No thank you!!!! I am happy and proud to be Canadian, there’s no way I’d want to amalgamate with anyone else!

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