Post # 151
- Wedding: October 2016 - Wedgewood Las Vegas
I personally don’t like moissanite just because it is a man-made stone.
I will always prefer a natural, mined stone over a lab created or man-made stone.
I’m a geological engineer, and I find beauty in naturally occuring stones and their irregularities. Just my preference.
It really doesn’t bother me what other people choose to wear on their finger. I don’t ‘look down’ upon someone who chose a moissanite over a diamond. There are a ton of pretty stones and rings out there.
For the record, my engagement ring and wedding band stones are diamonds, but I would have been thrilled with whatever gemstone or ring he would have proposed to me with.
Post # 152
MissCaraMia : I’m confused. How am I seriously flawed? seriously?
I did NOT write the top portion of my post–I was quoting a previous poster. And it sounds like you and I actually have something in common–modest living and spending a our money for ourselves, not to impress others.
Judgemental and bitchy? That sounds like the poster who had the hissy fit because some moissy a woman wears get nicer compliments than some diamonds.
Post # 153
MrsBuesleBee : A couple of scattered programs here and there is hardly anything to crow about. The Native Canadians whose lands are being raped and who are not receiving the monies owed to them (monies that would be used to build housing, schools, hosptials, etc.) would disagree with your blind and dismissive attitude. You think this is about a “scenic hillside” – really?
The situation is much worse in countries where there is little recourse. Further, research has shown that, despite industry proclamations to the contrary, there is absolutely no way to adequately regulate the industry and it is very difficutl (if not actually impossible) to guarantee “vertical integration.” ETA – rough diamonds primarily pass through Belgium and Israel and then on to India where 92% of the world’s rough diamonds are cut and polished. Once they hit India, the diamonds become very difficult to track. A Canadian news program (comparable to 60 minutes in the US) followed the process and found diamonds mined in other world regions eventually sold as Canadian diamonds. The idea of total vertical integration is false.
You can keep drinking the Kool-Aid but, in the end, diamonds are devastatingly costly on many fronts and defintely not just because we want “scenic hillsides.”
Post # 154
arosebyanyothername : Ohhhh. I thought that was your words. Totally my bad. But to be clear, I wwasn’t saying YOU were seriously flawed. Just the theory that someone riding a bus with a big stone meant it must be fake was seriously flawed. 🙂
Post # 155
Mrs.Bill : I respect your ethics but wonder why you’d buy a diamond simulation if you’re so dedicated to stamping out the diamond hype. As another poster pointed out, you’re stimulating the diamond market by unwittingly advertising it on your hand. Unless you take the time to explain it’s not a diamond to not only everyone you know (which I believe you do and have) but also everyone who sees your hand — the grocery store cashier, everyone in the stands at your kids soccer game, everyone in the pew at your second cousin’s wedding ceremony and so fourth. You’re still participating in the diamond hype. I think it would be a stronger stand to sport a colored gemstone for your wedding set, thereby helping to shift the “diamonds are traditionally for a wedding set” mindset. For the record, I know diamonds aren’t traditional for wedding sets, but many women think they are. I do prefer the “uniformity” of wedding sets being white so as to differentiate them from other rings to make a clear “married woman” statement, but if your main focus is breaking the west out of our love affair with diamonds, consider leading by example and that means not purchasing diamond *simulants*.
Post # 156
Mrs.Bill : im not talking about Canadian diamonds and youre acknowledging nothing im saying about Africa, and specifically Botswana so we’ve hit a wall I suppose.
I never said the industry was perfect and needed no improvement. I said removing it entirely would crush an entire continent. Your stament that “all mining companys operate at the expense of the communities” is a broad, blanket statement that while obviously true in some instances is not in others. And supporting companies that operate responsibly is both possible and worthwile when choosing a mined diamond.
I dont think taking away 40% of the GDP of Botswana, along with many thousands of fair jobs and much need HIV/AIDS treatment for employees and their families is a humanitarian act. I think supporting responsible companies is a path to a fairer, safer, more ethical diamond trade. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not realistic or helpful. This is not a black and white issue.
Post # 157
calliekalico2 : I’m not dedicated to stamping out the diamond hype – I love sparkly white stones. I’m dedicated to purchasing stones that have as little impact as possible on our earth hence, as I’ve stated a few times, I think that there are other options one could consider such as lab grown diamonds, estate diamonds, moissanite, other lab grown gems, etc.
ETA – I absolutely do tell everyone who admires my ring exactly what I’m wearing and I’m very proud that several people I work with have chosen lab diamonds and moissanite.
Post # 158
MissCaraMia : oh yeah that comment about the bus was just too weird lol . I read the original post. Started out sound logic and then went way off the rails lol, it’s pretty entertaining (and for the record, I am not pro simulants but I’m also not pro crazy.)
Post # 159
MrsBuesleBee : Of course you’re not acknowleging Canadian diamonds because it proves completely that mining companies function without regard to the communities they impact. And I am addressing the situation in Africa. If mining companies can get away with what they do in North America, what do you think they do in less developed nations?
“Environmental reclamation surrounding diamond mining operations generally involves some effort to return the altered landscape back to its original shape. This includes not only saving the fill removed from the pit and refilling pits once mining has ceased, but also preserving topsoil to be re-deposited on reclaimed land so that vegetation can be planted. In addition, diamond mining faces challenges relating to energy use and emissions which can contribute to the global climate change.
In certain parts of Sierra Leone and other diamond-rich west African regions, there is little infrastructure in place to enforce whatever environmental regulations may exist. In these regions, in addition to the human costs associated with ?conflict diamonds,? the environmental toll of diamond mining operations can be steep—pits are left open and loose fill is left unmanaged to runoff into rivers and streams, often with catastrophic effects.”
ETA – I see that you’ve edited your post from above and added in some not so subtle bolding LOL. And to be absolutely clear – YES the ENTIRE industry needs to be overhauled and controlled. And ths is an accurate blanket statement. Once again, a few pet projects here and there done for PR purposes does not an ethical industry make. Only when diamond mining companies fulfill the legal obligations that they agree to will we see any clean and ethical diamonds. And they will fight and kick and scream using the very arguments you are presenting. All this in the name of more profits. As I previously posted, these companies find it cheaper to pay fines than to actually live up to the contracts they signed and the laws of the land – no matter what land they are in.
Post # 160
This thread seems to have diverted far away from its original purpose and is getting a lot of flags, I’m going to close this.