"What would you do?" political question

posted 3 years ago in Legal
Post # 76
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Busy Beekeeper

There’s a certain amount of hyposcrisy regarding the idea that the US needs to allow everyone in, willy or nilly, just because that’s how it used to be.  You’d be hard pressed to find any other country that so easily allows immigrant entry, be it legal or illegal.  Australia, Japan, England, even Mexico… everyone has their rules and regulations about how many people can come in, how long the process will take, where they can come from and the requirements for citizenship.  But in the United States we’re supposed to say “oh well, we are a nation of immigrants… it has to stay that way forever and for everyone!”  Well guess what?  When my grandparents came from Germany post WW1, they had to be sponsored by someone already a citizen.  They didn’t get to waltz in, they had to go through all the hassle to become citizens themselves, they needed to assimilate.  It’s not some magic new rule of the 21st century. 

As such, I have almost zero respect for illegal immigrants (the almost because I realize some people are pretty desperate and that’s fair).  I’m sorry their country is bad enough that they want to live elsewhere and I’m sorry it’s hard to do, but I expect them to go the legal route.  The people who live locally that I’ve chatted with, and who are a greatly Hispanic (specifically Mexican) population actually want everyone go to the legal route too, by and large.  Those who have done it the correct way don’t appreciate those just skating through.  As it happens, an old friend of mine became a US citizen this week.  He’s very proud and excited.  I’ve known him since 2001, though I don’t know when he began the process.  I do wish they could streamline it a bit as that’s a ridiculously long time.

Anyway, now that I’ve pissed off every last one of you… I still wouldn’t report an illegal immigrant in my area unless they were doing something far worse that was also illegal.  And in any case, if I knew one of my neighbors was committing murder, rape, child abuse, drug dealing, etc, I’d call them in whether they were illegal or not… it’s not a factor.  I don’t need that in my neighborhood no matter who is doing it!  

Curious question:  How many of you live close to the southern US border?  Like within 50 miles, say?  I’ve always wondered if peoples’ feelings about illegal immigration changed the closer they got to the Mexican border.

Post # 78
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Busy bee

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skunktastic :  I agree 100%. My best friend in college came to the US when she was 10 and worked her ass of to be here legally and took 20 years and lots of money to do it by the book & I feel like it’s a slap in the face to her. And I also wouldn’t report someone unless I felt like I needed too due to illegal activity- which I would also do to someone who is a citizen. 

Post # 79
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Newbee
  • Wedding: January 2020

I’m sorry but I said it in her other post & I will say it in this one, too: if you are here illegally, you need to go back to your country and try again the right way. You bet your butt I would call immigration on someone who wasnt here legally. 

Post # 80
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Bumble bee

So in your book all the DREAMers should evacuate themselves to whatever country their parents came from?  And for the last poster, you’d turn in a law abiding DREAMer?  If yes, may I ask why?  Curious what brings you to that action.  Also curious if the expense of deporting all these people is a concern to you at all.  

Post # 81
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Blushing bee

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leslieann7 :  it’s so easy to say things like this when we have never been in their position. Have you ever tried to get citizenship? My best friend is from England, Fiance is Canadian. I can tell you it’s not an easy process, nor is it cheap. 

Post # 82
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2019

If you’re Satan. 

Post # 83
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: June 2019

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leslieann7 :  if you’re going to have such a strong opinion about something you should do some research first.

It takes people decades and thousands of dollars to obtain citizenship. It would be nearly impossible for them to achieve that in their poverty stricken countries. If they even survive tbh. I am positive that if people had the means to do it legally they would absolutely choose to do so. Who wants to live in FEAR?

Post # 84
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: City, State

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skunktastic :  I live in Texas so near the border and we do have a lot of people who have immigrated here legally and illegally.

Because of this, I’ve grown up around immigrants my whole life. A lot of my friends growing up were born here to illegal immigrants or came as babies with their parents illegally. So, I have a real emotional attachment and it’s hard for me to want to see anyone separated from their families and kicked out whether they are legal or not. I see the rationale of it not being a great idea to be a free for all of letting people just come with no tracking or whatever with my head but my emotional heart has a hard time not drowning out the logic in my head. I just wish there were better options then just kicking them out until they can go through the years long process of obtaining legal status. 

Just throwing this out there because you had posed the question about how people living near the borders feel. 

Post # 85
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

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skunktastic :  So happy for you that your grandparents benefitted from chain migration policies that allowed them to escape a war-torn country. It’s too bad we don’t have a reasonable party on the right that supports policies that help families like yours.

Post # 86
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Sugar Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2015

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skunktastic :  I lived in LA and we had a lot of undocumented immigrants. I definitely saw the problems that come from people being here without legal means of tracing, etc- but again, there were so many people deported under Obama, immigration advocates called him the deporter-in-chief. 

There are a lot of factors that go into accounting for deportation numbers, but less people have been deported under Trump than Obama in 2017. The difference is, trump is rounding people up in their communities, people who are not criminals. 

And that flies in the face of the premise of this great country. Yes, ideally it would be best to encourage and only tolerate legal immigration and sanctuary. However, the resources needed for that have to come from somewhere. Where’s the money going to come from? This is why Obama diverted the resources to going after criminals and people who had just crossed the border illegally. 

Obama’s approach made logical sense. It made sense financially. It enforced the law at the moment of it being broken, instead of ripping families apart. 

I’m all about upholding the law. But it has to be paid for. It has to be done with some compassion. It has to benefit the country instead of tearing it apart. And it should uphold our values of freedom and open doors and sanctuary. 

 

 

Source:

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/19/have-deportations-increased-under-donald-trump-her/

 

‘Data from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement show that overall, fewer people were deported in fiscal year 2017 than in 2016 (fiscal year 2017 included nearly four months of the Obama administration). Overall removal numbers include individuals arrested by ICE in the interior of the country and individuals apprehended by immigration officials at the border and turned over to ICE for removal.

Despite the overall removals drop, more people who already lived in the United States were deported in fiscal year 2017 compared with 2016.’

Post # 87
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: October 2014

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leslieann7 :  “I’m sorry but I said it in her other post & I will say it in this one, too: if you are here illegally, you need to go back to your country and try again the right way.”

you demonstrate a fundamental lack of knowledge about the immigration system and the challenges facing groups like the Dreamers. 

 

Post # 88
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Newbee

I think it is very disrespectful. All they have to do is join the military, but nooo they want a free ride. I’m not sure why everyone on this thread is being so hostile. I just wish people would work for what they have instead of stealing it.

Post # 90
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Bumble bee

Pretty sure classy is leslieann.  Either way, both are trolls.  Brand new accounts, just posting one anti immigrant/radical right wing nutter thing after another, just to provoke.

 

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