(Closed) What's "the story behind moissanite?"

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Post # 107
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Buzzing bee

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@peachacid:  I agree, the whole thing is ridiculous. Yet, somehow it keeps coming up and sparking a controversy because even the most tame questions get people’s feathers ruffled. We all need to chill and sit back and RELAX. Think about how much this dumb debate doesn’t matter in the big picture. 

Post # 108
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Buzzing Beekeeper
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@bunnyharriet:  But moissanite IS man made.  It’s not objectively worth the same as a diamond.  Does that mean it’s crappy?  NO.  It’s not a diamond, though.  To those who’ve been brainwashed into thinking that only diamonds are worthy rocks, it means that moissanite is “less than”.   Who cares?  I just don’t like seeing people gang up on another.  

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@tallierand:  I would argue that the genetically modified horse is similar to the man-made stone, which means that moissanite does indeed exist in nature…therefore…everything is null and void.  Carry on.  =)

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@peachacid:  Yes, of course moissanite is man made! We ALL know that. But to some people, that is a positive attribute, not a negative one.

This is the problem; Gemgirl sees that someone finds value in moissanite, even though she doesn’t value it. So, she starts spewing her facts in an effort to get the poster to see the light (that moissanite is NOT valuable).

What she doesn’t understand is everyone values different things. To one person, moissanite has no value whatsoever because it is not a diamond. To another person, diamonds are not something they value (because they’re mined, because they don’t consider them ethical, what have you).

She needs to stop badgering us all with her facts and assuming we only like moissanite because we don’t understand what it is and that we’re being hoodwinked somehow. She seems to think she needs to deliver us all from our enchantment with moissanite, but she doesn’t. 

Post # 111
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Busy bee
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@peachacid:  Or, alternatively, a genetic mutation could occur naturally creating a unicorn 😉

Post # 112
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Bee Keeper
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@bunnyharriet:  seriously, take it easy, I’m saying this to be helpful so the mods don’t get to you. We can discuss/defend/debate Moissanite without taking it to a personal level. The topic at hand is a rock, not another bee. 

Post # 113
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Helper bee
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@VictorianChick:  just out of curiosity is your blue diamond a natural blue diamond?  Just wondered as they are extremely rare. Usually near 100k per carat. 

Post # 114
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Busy bee

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@gemgirl6:  Perhaps that makes it fine for you, but for me, I am more happy taking each step I can. Also, of note. I’m not sure what you think “gem quality” means, but I notice you like to use the term a lot.

 

Gem quality refers to the quality of gems. It is a ranking off gems according to their color, clarity, cut, and weight. It only applies to gems.

Gems are precious semiprecious stones that are cut and/or polished for use in jewelry or other ordainment. The term gems and the term stone applies to both natural and synthetic. This is backed by Mirriam Webster, The Smithsonian Museum’s Gem Collection, and Carnegie Institution.

It is true, there is no such thing as “gem quality” moissanites found in nature. There are also no “gem quality” diamonds found in nature. A gem is not found in nature.

There is no gem quality natural moissanite at this time, because no one has chosen to cut their precious natural moissanite into a gem. Instead it is displayed in its natural state. As soon as one chooses to cut it into a gem, there will be gem quality natural moissanite. Which, due to it being far more rare than natural diamond, will very likely have a higher gem quality than a diamond of the same size and cut.

 

Post # 115
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Bumble bee
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I believe that when people refer to “the story” behind moissanite, they are refering to it having first been discovered in meteorite fragments long before it was found in its natural state on planet Earth. “Born from a star” is a markting gimic, as it was pointed out earlier in this thread, anything carbon based can claim the same thing. 😀 

Gem Quality: I could not find a perfectly satisfactory textbook definition on this, but to be of gem quality a gem must possess the desireable characteristics of hardness, luster,  excellent color saturation (or lack thereof), generally be of single crystal origin, possess a high refractive index, translucency, etc. Not all minerals considered to be gems have all these characteristics (and there are a few more I did not name), but some combination. 

So, while there has not been any gem quality natural moissanite found, the crystals grown by CREE for C&C to facet into jewels are indeed of gem quality due to their hardeness, luster, brilliance, transparency, and high refractive index. Non gem quality moissanite of various forms is grown for a variety of industrial purposes. 

On the subject of color: While the particular sub-crystal type found in the meteor was grey/green/black, there should be noted that there are over 200 crystal types for SiC (ranging in colors from green, white, yellow, blue, and black), and that the form sold by C&C is not “altered” from it’s “original” form, rather, the company chose a to grow a particular form of SiC that, in its purest form, is near colorless. They did not alter a crystal type of SiC from green to barely tinted, they simply grew a different crystal structure with different optical properties. The green/yellow/grey tint of moissanite is more apparent the less perfect the crystal structure is, which is why it can go through a HTHP process to fix atomic bonds to bring the crystal to a more pure form, resulting in a less tinted crystal. 

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Buzzing bee
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@pixiecat: ….. the moissanite we see in jewelry does not exist in nature.  When they found silicon carbide in the meteor and have found small amounts on earth, the crystal size is very small (microscopic to 2 mm I think?) and a blackened green colour.  Someone figured out doing some scientific voodoo in the lab could produce a larger, clearer crystal.  So, as far as we know, jewelry quality moissanite can only exist with scientific intervention (ie not in nature)

Yes, this. Exactly.

Wishing something was different doesn’t make it so.

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@peachacid: “..t you shouldn’t go and say that moissanite is a natural gem stone.  And then you, and other people in this thread, and the other threads, freak out and claim she’s lying and trolling and being rude and snarky.

YES! Thank you!

 

Post # 117
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Busy bee
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Post # 118
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Buzzing bee
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@Bracelet00:  There are also no “gem quality” diamonds found in nature.”

Incorrect A diamond is a natural stone that can be dug up from the ground, simply cut and polished and put in a ring. A moissanite like cz must be created in a factory lab. The tiny sample of genuine mineral silicon carbide looks nothing like the created jewel that is called moissanite and put in jewelry today. See historical article Joya posted on first page of this thread.

 

Post # 120
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Buzzing bee
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@BlondeMissMolly:   you never fail to add your: “+1” to join the bullying.

(Not to you especially, speaking generally: )

I have flagged many of the posts here, I suspect others have as well.

It’s ludicrous how invested some are in believing marketing speak. If any one posts anything that refutes that false marketing, they become targeted. Even in a thread such as this one, about moissanite and its supposed “story”.

Sad, people come here for information.

Post # 121
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Honey bee
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I’m SO over this debate. Just STAAAHP. 

I vote Jem choice bashing be against the TOS. 

 

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