(Closed) Who are you voting for, Obama or Romney?

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  • Post # 152
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2012

    O to the BAMA!

    Post # 153
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    Busy Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    @bostongirl27:  

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    @Neetch:  voter fraud happens on both sides.  One example of Voter fruad is bussing in voters from out of state on election day (many states have same day registration), I could go on for hours on that subject. I have seen it and talked to the people getting off the busses.  I don’t care which side is doing it, it pisses me off.  I worked for elections and no matter who you call when you see it, no one does anything about it.  The only way to stop it is to stop it before it happens.  I do see problems with making people have ID, the only way that I think that it is fair is to allow people free IDs if they cannot afford one.  I also think that there are people who cannot get to the DMV, I have a friend that has issues with this, and I think there should be a way for those people to get transportation.  Here in NE it isn’t that much of an issue as it is already state law that you have to have an ID if you are over the age of 18, vagrancy (sp?) laws.

    Post # 154
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    @tksjewelry:  Oh I agree that voter fraud happens on both sides. I just think voter id laws, in particular, are heavily promoted by one side of the aisle for a not so transparent reason.

    Post # 155
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    Helper bee

    Just wanted to step in on the voter fraud/ ID debate for a second…..I dont understand why someone WOULDNT have an ID of some kind??? I couldnt tell you how many times I reach for my ID throughout the day. Its odd to me that someone can say that needing an ID to vote is a way of keeping minorities  and the poor from voting. Dont they NEED an ID anyways??

    Post # 156
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: March 2011

    @tksjewelry:  If you have seen so much voter fraud (and I’m not challenging what you’re saying factually) do you have any sense of why there are so few (if any) recorded cases of in-person voter fraud in the past 10 years?  I would think that if it was easily observable then it would have been, well, observed?  Again, not challenging what you’re saying, just confused as to why it hasn’t been caught.

    Also agree with you on the Free ID’s etc.  I think in PA or TX for example you have these enormous rural counties (because of the layout of the state) with only one DMV in the entire county, and so people who do not have transportation (e.g. senior citizens especially) were having serious issues even getting themselves there to get their ID’s.  The stories I read about the difficulties in obtaining the ID (and doing it in time for the election if you had to, for example, order a birth certificate or a SS card) were very real.

    Post # 157
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: May 2013

    @mrssoontobeh:  I use my ID all day as well, but I also recognize that my experience isn’t applicable to everyone in the country. 

    Post # 158
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    Honey bee

    @sarahbabs:  +1 to everything you said, as usual. But I would also like to add how ironic it is to me that when there’s a thread about a woman being bullied for being fat, almost everyone is in agreement that a woman’s (person’s) body is their own business to do what they want, but when it comes to abortion it’s all of a sudden a different story. 

    Post # 159
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    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: May 2012

    @tksjewelry: 

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    @iRun2004:  those are very real issues, and I believe some states have things in place to allow you to get ID/vital records free if you are low-income, and more definitely should, because I do think those type of documents are essential for everyone to have, not just for voting but for many aspects of life!

    Post # 160
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    Sugar bee

    @Neetch:  And nobody knows about the most recent cases of actual voter fraud in FL. Romney’s campaign paid 600k to a company that was shredding Democratic voter registrations, abd made up false Republican voter registrations  They actually caught the guy running that company. He’s done similar things in Colorado and other states too. The GOP has paid his company millions. 

    Post # 161
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    Helper bee

    @Neetch:  But everyone needs it at some point. To cash a check (especially in many lower income areas where people might not have a checking account and use check cashing places), at pharmacies, to buy certain things like alcohol and cigarettes, to drive, at doctors offices (sometimes), to apply for credit….the list goes on. So to me, the point is that you should have one anways…I was born and raised in PA which is one of the states that wanted to enact having an ID to vote starting with this election. It only makes sense….I dont see it as keeping anyone out of the polls, since you really should have an ID anyways.

    And, if youre not responsible enough to have an ID, maybe youre not responsible enough to vote.

    Post # 162
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: March 2011

    @mrssoontobeh:  I thnk part of the problem is an ID of “some kind” isn’t accepted. The new laws require very specific types of ID’s and do not allow others.

    There are large numbers of senior citizens who don’t have ID’s (they let their DL’s expire and live in nursing homes so have no reason to get an ID).  Students are driving less, and relying on college ID’s more (at least that’s my understanding) and college ID’s aren’t accepted.  Veterens rely heavily on vet ID’s (again, from my understanding) but those aren’t accepted either.

    Sarah Silverman did a HILARIOUS commercial on the effect of the Voter ID laws. It’s left-leaning, no doubt, but it does explain things well. Highly recommended.

    Post # 163
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @mrssoontobeh:  i’m not poor (i dont think voluntary wedding-induced poverty counts)… but i rarely use my ID. i work in a professional job and interact with various sectors for work and various retailers/restaurants for socialization, and still rarely get asked.

    Post # 164
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    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2012

    I’m still going with Obama… 

    Post # 165
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: June 2013

    @iRun2004:  it seems extra absurd to me that vet IDs arents accepted… i know they arent government issued, but they have some pretty stringent verification processes according to what i have read.

    Post # 166
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: March 2011

    @bostongirl27:  I think it depends on the state – but if I recall correctly it’s because there isn’t a picture on the vet ID.  But that’s without me going back and looking it up.

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