(Closed) Who are you voting for, Obama or Romney?

posted 9 years ago in Legal
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    I'm not voting.

  • Post # 572
    13561 posts
    Honey Beekeeper

    Woops! I didn’t realize how long this thread had gotten. Anyone willing to start a Part II so we can close this one down (before we slow the site way down)?

    Post # 573
    4369 posts
    Honey bee

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    @Mrs_Amanda:  I have to disagree with your purposed definition of socialism and progressivism. First, there are many types of socialism. Second, the modern view of socialism and the modern Socialist parties in the world largely do not carry the same view held as the Socialists of the early 20th Century.

    Socialist theory has slowly changed from an idea of complete state ownership, to one where socialist ideas work within the context of free markets and capitalism.

    A brief history of modern Socialism:

    Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. In the early 19th-century, “socialism” referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th-century, “socialism” had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative system based on some form of social ownership.[7] Utopian socialists such as Robert Owen (1771–1858) tried to found self-sustaining communes by secession from a capitalist society. Marxist and Marxist-Leninist socialists seek to develop an economy based on scientific assessment and democratic planning. The Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc states established centrally planned economies, while Yugoslavia instituted a form of self-managed market socialism. The Hungarian and East German communist governments have experimented with varying degrees of markets, combining co-operative and state ownership models with the free market exchange and free price system for consumer goods and services.[8] After the collapse of the Eastern bloc, China and Vietnam moved toward the socialist market economy model, which consists of state-ownership and open-markets in both capital goods and consumer goods.


    In the context of modern American society, we have, and have had for long periods of time, elements of socialism. Some things are just better managed on a federal, government level. For example, highways could be said to be socialist, as well as public education, and national defense systems. The mere word “Socialist” should not send people hissing in fear and raising their hackels.

    Also, you cited that “progressives want to convince the poor or less privileged to be jealous of the rich capitalist in order to influence the working class to vote progressives into power and perform the government obligation of improving the life of the community.” This seems like a very biased definition to me.  

    The definition from Wikipedia, cited from a more notable source, is: Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring social, political, and economic reform.

    Now, I do not read into this any jealousy of more moneyed people. And as a person who considers herself a “progressive”, I take offense at the suggestion that I believe workers and the poor who need help has some kind of hatred or jealousy towards people who are often termed “the job creators.” Rather, I view it all as one system that all needs to be supported in order for the economy to function well and fairly. Progressism started around the time of the Industrial Revolution in th US to protect those who were exploited by the “job creators” at the time. Workers (and children) were forced to work long hours in dangerous and inhumane condition, for pittances.

    Anyway, I just wanted to distinguish some of the terms used here, namely that of Socialism and Progressivism. This has been a wonderfully intriguing and educational thread. Hope it continues on.

    Post # 575
    870 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: August 2010

    I couldn’t vote in the poll.  There are other choices besides Romney, Obama, undecided, and not voting.   Sorry if that’s been mentioned, I didn’t want to read 15 pages.

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