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- Wedding: October 2012
I’m curious to see the results from you all!
I’m curious to see the results from you all!
I will be voting for Obama, but admit that he didn’t do a great job. He never got fired up during the debate. He wasn’t really defending any of his positions, and seemed kind of worn out, honestly. Not that I think Romney did much better: he couldn’t seem to stick to any one topic, was unclear on what his policies were, and seemed really childish when he kept interupting the moderator. I wasn’t impressed with either.
I voted for Romney… And clearly I’m not the only one as most media outlets have conceded that he ” won” the debate. Obama is no slouch, though— I don’t think he will come to their next meeting with the same demeanor as he had last night. I suspect it will get pretty ugly in the days to come…
@Mrs_Amanda: oh I don’t know.. I saw one news station that praised Obama for not being on the attack during the debate! lol said he acted like that on purpose. i’m sorry but I don’t care who you vote for.. but it seemed like Obama didn’t even prepare for the event! Not only that, he only stuck to his talking points and just kept repeating his responses over and over again.
@Woodstock: lol I totally agree! I mean– news channels have their agendas, too. It’s not as unbiased as they’d have you believe– but even the more left leaning stations chalked this one up to a Romney win. Hey, that’s fine by me considering that is who I will be voting for, but I just don’t see Obama laying down and repeating last nights mistakes. I fully expect last nights debates to start this ” game on” mentality.
I liked the fact that Romney addresses points with passion. As on article stated ( I believe it was a Yahoo article) , Obama used the same ” calm, cool, collected” tactics that were used and worked for him in 2008. I just think its such a critical time , a little passion is needed and Romney delivered that.
My trainer asked me this morning what I thought about the debate, as he hadn’t seen it (way before I had started to read the recaps).
My response: Romney did well. Obama looked bored.
Upon reading through the various accounts and polls etc., everyone thinks Romney won. The interesting issue is that “winning” vs “losing” a debate has very little to do with accuracy or salient points and everything to do with … well … vigor. And given that Obama really looked asleep half the time, it’s hard not to agree that Romney, who really engaged with Obama and really seemed passionate about what he was saying, “won”.
All that said, I’m also curious what “facts” people came away with. What where the candidates able to stick in your brain?
For me it was – 5 trillion in tax cuts, “board of shadowy figures” or some such nonsense and $90 billion to green energy. So the first thing I did this morning was factcheck.org. I was surprised. Have you guys done any fact checking? Were you surprised?
EDIT: I don’t mean to thread jack or anything, but thought it might be an interesting addition to who “won” the debate.
I’m been on the fence as far as who to vote for in this election, and I have to say that last night Romney definitely was much better than Obama. I agree with @iRun2004: that Obama looked bored. I heard some newscasters saying that he was “rusty” and not used to people talking to him like that since he became president, but I just can’t believe he didn’t prepare! It’s almost as if he wasn’t taking it as seriously as he should.
I have been doing some fact checking too, and while there are exaggerations on both sides, and some false claims, overall the ones I was shocked were Obama accusing Romney of proposing $5 trillion in tax cuts (experts say NOT true), but I have not found anywhere that refuted the $90 billion to green energy. And while I do support investing in green energy, there are a lot of other places that need the money right now too.
I was suprised that it didn’t get very dirty, which was nice to see, but I don’t think Obama will play clean next time since he came out looking so bad in round 1.
@ChemistryBride: Re the green energy thing here is one source – http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/03/fact-check-romneys-green-math/ — I think that one checks out as “Partly True”, but misleading.
Then again, I’m not sure much was said last night that wasn’t misleading.
I also thought this was a pretty good summary of the fact checking: http://theweek.com/article/index/234298/the-obama-romney-debate-fact-check-who-told-the-biggest-whoppers
I definitely have been looking at the fact checks and Obama had his share of falsehoods. He lied by saying insurance premiums are rising slower than they have been in the past 50 years. They’re rising ‘faster than wages and economic growth’ and with these new healthcare laws <10% are actually benefiting. AND he kept repeating the 5 trillion dollar tax cut that Romney is supposedly going to impose(also a lie) EVEN AFTER Romney repeatedly denied the claim during the debate. So both candidates skewed the truth…Like I said previously Obama seemed to be stuck on his talking points while Romney did a much better paying attention and actually responding.
Based on mannerisms and attitude, Romney completely controlled it. I was really surprised how poorly I thought Obama came across. He usually seems so “on”. Interesting to see if things change at the next one. And yes, I can’t believe I got sucked into watching.
What I would really like to see is a points system. Every time you make a true claim, you get a point. Every time you say something false, a buzzer sounds and you lose points.
@hisgoosiegirl: What I would really like to see is a points system. Every time you make a true claim, you get a point. Every time you say something false, a buzzer sounds and you lose points.
Hahahahah I like that!!!!! CAn you imagine mid sentence… “*BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ* I’m sorry your answer is a lie”
Both sides had exaggerations. But the thing that really came away for me was that Romney cannot back up his claims. He wants to be everything to everybody. He wants to extend tax cuts for the super rich, but after that whole 47% fiasco, he suddenly claims the key to everything is the middle class. He keeps saying he will lower taxes for everyone while cutting the deficit. Mathmatically…you can’t do that. He says he’ll repeal the ACA, but can’t say how he’ll manage to ban pre-existing conditions (which can only happen if MORE PEOPLE HAVE INSURANCE) and keep people on their parents insurance for longer.
Also, seriously. Someone needs to rig it up so that the moderator just cuts off the mic once time is up. And if you go over your alotted time, your opponent gets an extra 30 seconds in his next turn.
I will be voting for Obama and when everyone thought Romney did a better job I was very suprised, to me when he was “fired up” he seemed borderline out of control, where as Obama seemed poised and controlled. Romney was staring at him as if wanted to start an argument (I know it’s a debate, but keep it classy folks) and Obama was looking out at the audience convincingly.
Curious to see what everyone says.
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