(Closed) Who won the presidential debate?

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Buzzing Beekeeper
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sparkles0609 :  However, he let Hillary get away with a lot. He could have drilled her on more on the e-mails esp when they were mentioning cyber security, benghazi, the clinton foundation/pay for play, etc. 

I agree!  I thought the same thing.  Maybe he will during the next 2 debates.

Post # 137
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Busy bee
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One of the newscasters was asked the question of who the loser was that night, and the newscaster answered ‘the people’ because there was such a lack of substance in the debate, and I would have to agree. I’m not massively impressed by either candidate, however if trump wins I’m moving outta the country seriously … He’s a racist, sexist, narcissistic, egotistical pig, and he even admitted he doesn’t pay federal taxes … “Because he’s smart” ….He was interrupting the moderator and Hilary CONSTANTLY and mostly only to backpedal whatever was being said about him, or to promote how amazing the trump industries are … Like, what does that even have to do with the presidential campaign?? He hardly offered any specific plans or policies to “make America great again” …. Despite Hilary’s whole email fiasco, she actually seems a better choice by a landslide, she was prepared for the debate, and far more controlled. But I was shocked at the lack of professionalism and the even bigger lack of political correctness in the debate overall. Both Clinton and trump were almost childish the way they argued the segments. It was more of an insult-fest or reality TV than actually about offering plans to the people for the country … We can only hope the following debates improve … I’m actually embarrassed to be American I think… And if trump becomes president, you can bet we’ll have more wars AND burn MANY foreign bridges

Post # 138
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Buzzing bee

LOL at all this “the losers are the American people” and being all pious about how these debates have no substance–Please show me where and when the American electorate as a whole has ever demonstrated its ability to intelligently process and analyze a sophisticated and substantial discussion of serious public policy, military strategy, or global diplomacy?  To make the claim that we’re craving substance is giving ourselves far too much credit.

I contend that everything that has come along with this election cycle is precisely on the level of large swathes of the American electorate and is precisely what is deserved.  That’s the bitch about a democratic republic–in the end, the buck stops with the voters.  We look like pathetic, spoiled children when we beat our chest and go on about how we are the greatest because DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM while also refusing to hold ourselves culpable by having a conversation about how dangerous our national anti-intellectualism/cowardly relativism has become.

Post # 139
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Bee Keeper
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TravelingBride31 :  why is there no aplause emoji when you need it?

Excellent post.  Two thumbs up.

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Sugar bee
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Sunfire :  

“This is a great post, thank you so much.  I really see what you’re saying, it’s very enlightening and intelligently written.

If the Clinton supporters would realize that supporting Trump does not mean people are deplorable, uneducated or racist it would help bridge the gap a lot.”

I have yet to hear any educated individual who is well versed in politics argue that a man whith no previous political polciies or experience will be a great candidate for president. Even to be a CEO of a company you need experience in an “industry”..

Are all Trump supporters racist? Maybe not, but if you support a racist you are a large part of the problem!

Post # 141
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Buzzing bee

I didn’t watch the debate, I read the transcript the day after on NPR. It was great because I wanted to get the information without hearing their voices and having that affect what I was hearing. Also great because it was fact checked and there were links to a lot of what they said. 

I do think Trump made a couple of good points, like why do the other countries in NATO not pay their share? I think its probably complicated but would like to know a bit more about it. I don’t think we should just pull our support from this important organization though. 

Mostly, I don’t think his plan for economic improvement is any better than Clinton’s. If the top 1% get tax cuts, what guarantee do we have that they will invest in companies creating more jobs? I think aiding small business is a much better plan. 

Ultimately, I think Trump is very dangerous on a global scale. While Clinton has done some irritating and shady things, people much more educated than me have found her not guilty. We know she can handle herself with other countries. This is important. 

Trump has so much litagation happening in so many different areas of his business, how can anyone say he is a good businessman? Also, how can he legally get away with not paying taxes for so long or showing his tax returns? Its ridiculous to me that people actually support him. 

I requested my absentee ballot today so I don’t have to go to polls. 

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MeandMyLouboutins :  Yes. This. Exactly. 

I wouldn’t assume my favorite author could become the new CEO of the company I work for because she’s good at writing and therefore must be good at everything else, so why are people assuming Trump will be a good president because he’s good at business? Which, by the way, he really isn’t. He’s actually pretty garbage, and most people who watched him evolve in the New York business world think he’s a joke. A “small loan”? Fuck right off with that one. 

“He’s not a corrupt politician, we need a breath of fresh air!” Sure, okay, let me grab that guy who’s always asleep in the Rockefeller Center subway station when I get to work in the mornings and have him run, I’m sure he doesn’t have any relevant experience either. 

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MeandMyLouboutins :  +1

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that one. It’s like “Look, I’m not a racist, but I want a racist to run the country!”. Ooookayyyyyyy. Major cognitive dissonance. The evidence that he is objectively a Racist Bigot is ample, mounting, and impossible to ignore.

Post # 145
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Sugar bee
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Sunfire :  His biggest problem is that he doesn’t prepare and doesn’t see the need to prepare. I am sure he thinks reading stuff is boring.  He rarely seems very focused. This would be very dangerous in a president. He didn’t have great opponents in the Republican debates (Cruz is very knowledgable but too far to the right for most people and Kasich, was completely overlooked) I don’t think he takes the duties of the office seriously at all, just the power and being in the news all the time  and it is probably the most influential position in the world.

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Sugar bee
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raindrop101 :  I think they can set us back more than decades. Try pre American Revolution, to the Puritan days

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nycsa :  Agreed!

Anyone with is or wants to be a mother should read and watch how Donald Trump fat-shamed Miss Universe. I read her story, and I could feel her pain. You could see it on her face when he brought reporters to her gym session. 

He could have said that he was a lot younger then and did not consider how his words would so negatively affect a young woman, but he doubled down on his comments all over the news yesterday.

In my opinion, a man who can humiliate a young woman that so coldly and easily has no business being a role model for anyone. 

ETA: Yes, Hillary’s “deplorables” comment was not a nice thing to say, but she recognized it and apologized the next day. At least she admitted she was wrong.

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MeandMyLouboutins :  agree. If you support Trump, you are racist. No two ways about it. 

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MarriedToMyWork :  Exactly. Isn’t this what we value as a society now? Drama and being entertained. Superficial attributes because for many, thinking and understanding real issues, policy, strategy is just too much work. That’s exactly the election we are getting. One that is a real life SNL skit. We made our bed. Time to lie in it. 

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