(Closed) Who won the presidential debate?

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Buzzing bee

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howsweetitis :  Yes, but you’re also part of the Ivory Tower Meanies Club, so you’re not a Real American who is just being simple and honest and heartfelt and so no one cares what you think, commie!  😉

Post # 272
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Sugar bee
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MarriedToMyWork :  Dammit, why did I let those meanies brainwash me into joining their no-common-sense club?!

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Buzzing bee

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howsweetitis :  Given the salaries, the serious lack of control over where you might live, the job market, uhhh, honestly I have no idea.  Your undergraduate advisor musn’t have loved you enough–a truly caring undergraduate advisor in the humanities will sabotage his/her students’ Ph.D applications in advance to spare them years of bad stipends and other assorted misery, hahaha.

Post # 274
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MarriedToMyWork :  I don’t find you mean.  

I think you’re smug, entitled, and woefully out of touch with the reality of the majority of the lives of ordinary Americans.  What I dislike about you is similar to what I dislike about your preferred candidate, H. Clinton.

I may or may not agree with someone’s political perspective but I’m still not rude and disrespectful to people the way you are.  And even the majority of the women here who disagree with me have done so in a polite way.  Politics is not the be all and end all of my life, I was just giving my humble opinion as was asked for.

Your attitude, not your politics, is what I find so objectionable.  One of my best friends is a Hillary supporter and she treats me with kindness and respect when discussing politics.  Like religion, it is a very personal thing.  

To answer your question about Pence, I don’t judge whether someone is a decent human being or not based on their political stance.  My comment was offhand so I’m not analyzing it with you, it’s irrelevant to this entire thread anyway.  As are LGBT rights.  LGBT rights are important but not the only issue.  I assume you’re gay, which is fine.  My brother in-law, whom I love dearly, is gay.  LGBT rights are valid but don’t enter into the top 3 concerns for me in this election.  

My top concerns are:  

Hillary Clinton’s record of deceit and corruption, while in federal office, spanning decades.  

National security.

The economy.

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Helper bee

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Post # 276
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Busy bee

If anyone is out of touch with “the reality of the majority of the lives of ordinary Americans,” as it was stated, it’s Trump. Unless heterosexual white men are the only Americans who happen to matter anymore. 

A candidate should speak for everyone, or at least a majority of the populace. Trump only speaks for himself and the twisted ultra-wealthy pseudoreality he lives in. 

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Buzzing bee

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Sunfire :  Re: my concerns for LGBTQA rights–I simply dislike seeing a group systematically denied the rights to which they should be entitled.  As for Pence, I don’t think that anyone who uses power to actively work at denying basic rights and dignity to a sector of the population explicitly due to an ascriptive characteristic like sexual orientation can be a decent person.  But, I guess it’s not surprising that we disagree, is it?

For the record, much of politics is not like religion at all.  Sure, some of the assumptions we make about politics are not provable or disprovable in a meaningful way, but since they are assumptions we are making about the observable world, I’d suggest they can be debated in ways that religious beliefs can’t.  Since we have no apparatus for proving or disproving the existence of a higher power to the required standard, we generally treat a person’s decision to believe or not as an act of conscience.  However, we do have tools such as evidence, along with all the sophisticated data collection and analysis that goes into producing it, and rules of logic that allow us to show that certain political opinions and beliefs are based on assumptions and claims about the world that are in keeping with the best available evidence and rules of logic and certain political opinions and beliefs are not in keeping with the best available evidence or are presented illogically.

While we may not be able to prove that Political Opinion A or B is definitively correct or incorrect, we may certainly prove that Political Opinion A is stronger than Political Opinion B.  In that case, there is no need to treat B with the same respect and seriousness as A.  Our media’s cowardly practice of doing just that has helped create the crisis in American public discourse that is a partial contributor to the current election that everyone seems to find so objectionable.

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JenJennyJennifer :  Yeah, I accidentally spelled eviscerate wrong, too, and she let me slide.  She’s probably a really nice person underneath all the useless, mocking verbiage.  😉 

No doubt she is very, very smart.  I have always said that.

Post # 279
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Helper bee

It’s interesting that my in-laws, who are staunch Republicans, are actually saying that Trump is blowing the election. They are particularly disgusted with his attacks on Hillary for having pneumonia. They are in their 70’s and his attacks are offending them on a personal level as they get sick too.

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Helper bee

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Post # 281
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JenJennyJennifer :  You can put LOL all you want, but that doesn’t magically make your mean-spirited comment funny. Nor does it make bragging about a degree any less “braggadocious,” if you’ll pardon the usage. 😉

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Helper bee

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Post # 283
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Busy bee

Yikes. 

I would use more words with more syllables, but it’s been a long day, and I don’t feel like having anyone’s MacArthur fellowship rubbed in my face.

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Busy bee
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Sunfire :  How can you be anti-racism and yet “color and culture blind”? So you ignore people’s color and culture and that is supposed to be non-racist? I’m sorry, but if someone ignores some of the most fundamental parts of my very existence, it is SERIOUSLY offensive to me, but not only that, it solves NOTHING. You don’t fight racism by “not seeing” people’s race. And secondly, it’s a lie. Of course you are not actually color blind. You see people’s color and culture like everyone else does. I find the “I’m colorblind” argument to prove someone isn’t racist so incredibly childish and annoying. It’s so useless. Sorry if that’s harsh, but part of the reason why all this racism stuff is so “new” to some people is because they have been “not seeing” race since the Civil Rights Act and now suddenly they’re shocked that all this “race stuff” is happening while the people of color have been SEEING it all along. It’s simply not an option for people of color to be “color and culture blind.”

Post # 285
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Busy bee
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Sunfire :  By the way, I’m really sorry if my comment was an attack on you! Certain things make my blood boil and I know you probably did not mean your comment that way, but so many people don’t realize how “colorblindness” can be extremely offensive. 

On the debate thing: Trump is just too tacky to make the leader of the free world. His head is QUITE large enough and he has said just too many absolutely tacky, undignified and down right disgusting things to ever deserve to be this great nation’s leader. Yuck. I would be so embarrassed to be an American if he became the President. We already look stupid for even letting him get nominated. He made some good points in the debate but his overtalking nonsense was too much. He’s an entertaining businessman, nothing more. Hillary sucks too but my GOD she is nothing compared to Trump. I truly do not understand how anyone could think he is worthy of the Presidency of the United States for goodness sake. Truly mind-boggling to me.

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