Post # 1
Why do we tip servers but not people taking your order at McDonalds?
Why do we tip taxi drivers but not pilots?
When you don’t tip, why does the customer look like the jerk? Tipping shouldn’t be expected, people should earn it. But it IS expected in society.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a server go above and beyond what I believe to be included in their job description, yet I always leave a tip because I know I’ll look bad if I don’t. The taxi driver gets me where I want to go, which is his job, yet I have to give him a tip.
Every job is hard so I don’t think that is a valid reason. I don’t get extra compensation at my work, even when I spend 8 hours of the day listening to angry people on the phone. Or when I was in high school and had food thrown at me through a drive thru.
I’m genuinely curious as to why we are expected to tip some people and not others. I get that servers are not paid minimum wage, but that’s because we are EXPECTED to tip. Why do business owners put that expectation on the customer?
Post # 2
You’re basically right — it’s a way for some businesses to literally pass the buck, which makes the stingy American view that slower service or any number of things beyond a server’s control should dock their “gratuity.”
Post # 3
So they can pay them dirt cheap wages and tranfer the rest of their salary to you via tips. Really I agree, there shouldnt be jobs that make below minimum wages, tips or not.
Post # 4
What’s even more annoying, is that in some provinces in Canada (not sure about all provinces) servers ARE paid minimum wage yet tipping is still expected.
I was just thinking about it because I was reading on another site and someone said something like “I always tip servers. I’ve never encountered anyone who didn’t work for their tip” and it got me thinking… I’ve never encountered anyone who HAS worked for their tip. Just people who followed their job description as a server. Yet, I still tip because it’s expected.
If the server doesn’t take my order, bring me my food/beverages, bring me my bill – then they should be fired. If they do all those things, and only those things, I’m to leave a tip. It makes no sense.
Post # 5
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I totally agree with this even though I worked as a server for many years. I also wonder why hairstylists, especially those who are in business for themselves get tipped. If I am charged $160 for a haircut and color, why am I expected to tip 20% on top of that? I was a licensed cosmetologist and worked as a stylist once upon a time so I know what the industry entails.
Post # 6
I agree it’s so that the businesses don’t have to pay them as much.
I also don’t get why the customary tip is a percentage. Like, why does my meal choice effect how much of a tip a server gets? It’s the same amount of work to serve me a salad as it is to serve me a surf and turf.
Post # 7
I’ve never agreed with why we “have to tip” and always a certain %
In some contries, like japan for example, it’s concidered rude to tip. Like if you tip it’s viewed like you expect to be treated better than anyone else which is rude. If you leave a tip there i’ve heard stories of servers chasing you down the street to give you your tip back.
Post # 8
If we didn’t tip and servers or taxi drivers or hair stylists were paid accordingly… I wouldn’t be able to afford to go out or take a cab. It’s a give and take!
SithLady : This! When I was in hospitality, bartenders used to get pissed that a table didn’t tip the right % on a botle of wine… You opened it and handed it to them… Not like you serves up 6 fancy cocktails that took 15 mins. Sheeesh.
When I was serving I looked at is as tips being more money that I had when I started the night. But I’m lucky enough to be in Ontario where server min wage is about 70% of traditional min wage… not pennies like some states.
Post # 9
2bmarried2017 : In the USA–which is the only cultural context I’m referring to in this post–you tip in certain professions because the country’s laws create a wage structure that necessitates it. Yes, the system sucks and it has terrible origins (cf. wonderlily : ) but taking out one’s very reasonable frustration with the system on the workers who depend on those tips is pathetic (as is claiming ignorance/that the rules don’t apply to you because you’re not from the USA). I do absolutely everything possible to limit my association with people who are generally stingy tippers or people who act like tinpot dictators because they have the ‘power’ of the tip. IME, such behaviors are always a signal of a stingy and unforgiving nature more generally.
Post # 10
In some industries in the US the wages are very low, well under the minimum wage, as they’re accounting for tips. In other industries tips aren’t expected so the wages are higher. I think such a tipping structure is beyond stupid, pay the server a fair, living wage, and tips can be added to express gratitude for excellent service. But just because I think that’s how it should be doesn’t mean that’s how it is, so I still tip my 15-20% for the industries that short-change the employee. It ought to be included, but it isn’t, so we need to make the choice to include it.
And I think we should make the choice as a society to pay a living wage for all industries, a wage that, at the bare minimum, allows a dual-income household to comfortably raise two children without needing a third job or going into excessive debt. But that’s a different soap box.
Post # 11
I avoid places that expect a tip but here in the UK we have minimum wage and low income benefits… its mostly american resteraunts that do it, just copying the american thing even though it has NO baring over here
Post # 12
I don’t really understand how people STILL are confused about tipping, unless you’re not from the US. In some states servers and bartenders are only paid $2-$5 per hour, aka not a livable wage. At the other jobs you mentioned they are at least making the national minimum wage. You may think that they’re not going above and beyond but that is your perception because they make things look easy for you. That ranch you know you were going to want to dip your fries in but didn’t order and waited to ask for until your food was dropped off. Yup they run and get that for you. Balancing taking care of 5-10 tables of different wants and needs at the same time can be demanding. Throw in rude customers, children, and being at the mercy of kitchen and bartenders making your items in a timely fashion. Doesn’t include all of the other stuff behind the scenes such as running bus tubs, rolling silverware, and bussing tables. People often think all they do is take an order, ring it in, and drop off the check but it is so much more. Most of them are working doubles (sometimes open to close) and haven’t even had a chance to eat all day because they can’t just stop what they’re doing to take a break.
I bartended for years and it was definitely the most difficult and physically demanding job I’ve ever done in my life. Everyone thinks its easy and not a real job but it definitely takes skill. Please, don’t ever not leave a tip. Servers usually have to tip out bussers, hostesses, and bartenders. If you don’t leave a tip they are paying out of their pocket for you to come out to eat, and unfortunately I’ve seen this happen way too many times. Even if you leave 15% they are probably only walking out with 10% after tipping out. If you don’t like tipping stay home!
Post # 13
younikkitome : I really don’t think the OP was asking why we have to tip people who are only paid the $2-$5 minimum wage but rather why they are paid this to begin with. Why the minimum wage doesn’t apply to everyone. FWIW, I get some of your post but really it’s not my problem that you are working a double or that you didn’t get a break. To me, you should be getting paid by your business and if that means my drink prices go up or my food prices go up, yeah, I’ll pay for that.
2bmarried2017 : I really wish businesses would just pay a liveable wage to everyone. I would happily pay the extra cost associated with that if I didn’t feel obligated to leave a tip.
I think think it’s ridiculous that we tip as a percentage as well. So since I ordered a $30 steak instead of the $10 sandwich I’m now paying an extra $4 towards a tip (assuming a 20% tip) when the server did the same amount of work.
Post # 14
younikkitome : THIS X 1000
yes, we wish that servers didn’t get paid crap but the reality is that they do and some people don’t have the luxury of working at places that pay living wages. When I worked as a server one summer between college semesters, I couldn’t believe how much work was actually put in to it for $5 an hour. I was one of those servers who “worked” for their tips. Never had a dissatisfied situation. And no matter how much my feet hurt or how many times I went to change someone’s drink for free because they changed their minds, or how many times people made bs complaints about the food so they can get a free meal, I always had a smile on. So when I get a customer who didn’t “agree with tipping”, whatever that means, it makes me wonder why I ever went beyond my “job description” to make your meal great for you and your family. After that summer, I never, ever ever tip poorly. From nail technicians to servers. I respect them a lot because they don’t have to make the “service” a pleasant one but many of them do and I appreciate them for it.
Post # 15
MrsBeck : Most times they are scheduled doubles. The other times they could be on doubles because they are trying to make money to pay bills, especially during a slower season. I used to be scheduled open to close on Sundays and that meant 17 hours straight on my feet in the Florida heat during the summer. I couldn’t just take a break because that meant no one was being served. Every other job it is the law after a certain amount of time you would get 30mins to an hour break, not the case in a restaurant.
You’re one of the few who would be happy to pay the extra cost associated with raising prices. I’ve had people go on a tangent if something was raised even 25cents. Just know if we left the tipping system for servers being paid what McDonalds workers are receiving you’re going to see a very big difference in service.