(Closed) Why Moissanite over a diamond? Or diamond over Moissanite. Post your stone

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Post # 106
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

I actually selected the Amora Gem over a moissy, over my temporary Asha, and over diamonds.  There were multiple reasons, but I will start with why I got the Asha in the first place.  I was still researching everything with diamonds, but we were buying a home, planning a wedding, and starting a business.  The house fell through since the builder was not honest and we ended up eloping and cancelling the big wedding six months later.  Once the business was stable at that time I had spent so much time researching the Amora Gem I was not going to purchase a diamond until after I had seen an AG for myself in person.  

Once I got a chance to order an Amora Gem Ultra H&A cushion in April 14′ I jumped on it.  We had contacted our favorite jeweler before it arrived to check on him ordering a cushion diamond in my ideal stats of color G and clarity of SI1 with ideal or excellent cut.  When we first looked into getting an engagement ring that type of stone certified was upwards of 10K.  Now I can find them must lover on blue nile and my jeweler stated he could get one that would cost us just around or under 5K.  Do we have that type of money in the bank?  Yes, would I spend it all at once for something like that?  No, but I would be willing to make large payments over time to pay it off.  Our jeweler is very familiar with us, so he agreed if we did not like this “mystery gem” that we could use layaway with no extra charge and pay $500 to $1000 a month to pay it off.  So I knew in 5 to 10 months I could have a diamond if I wanted.  My Asha still looked great with no signs of wear after having it for nearly two years.  When we received the AG my husband no longer wanted me to order the diamonds since the color was so great and the sparkle equal to any diamond he ever saw.  I know they say the sparkle is more, but I do not see that in the cushion cut.  

Did I want the look of a diamond, yes, but did I care if I had a diamond or not, no.  I wanted a forever stone with the same look.  Did we save money, yes, but I would spend more to get what I want.  Moissy in larger sizes show too much color and it changes color a lot which I do not care for in an engagement ring.  I didn’t want a color gem besides a black diamond, but DH didn’t care for them.  If I lose or damage my Amora Gem tomorrow at this time they do not have a replacement available.  I would use my asha in my engagement ring immediately and then order a diamond.

Do I enjoy the fact that no one had to die for me to have a sparkly gem, of course.  But the rest of my wedding set has diamonds and I own other diamond jewelery.  But I try what I do to be a little bit of a better person.  I disagree with what others say about “you can’t wear something that looks like a diamond because you’re encouraging others”.  I have always been against fur and would NEVER wear a real piece of fur.  However, I do own faux fur.  I have educated others on, what it is (I have met a lot of activitist) and other fur lovers I have helped to convert.  However that is not my duty.  

I want to enjoy what I like without hurting others.   I am Christian, but I do not feel it is my duty or goal to convert others.  If someone is interested I will give them the information and direct them to a wonderful church, but I do enough to help the world when I save lives each and every day when I go to work.  

I am not a “name brand whore” so I don’t care if I have a certain label or not.  But if I like a designer item that’s leather and I can’t find one that is not I will get the designer item.  I own leather and pleather boots as well as sneakers, purses, jackets, and belts.  No one can tell the difference and I do not feel the need to correct someone if they compliment me.  

To wrap this up yes I strive to use products that do not hurt the environment or others, but I will not avoid having items that I desire to own.  Call me selfish, I am an American and that’s kind of our cultrure.  But I do try to go out of my way to find an alternative healthy item.  I own a wedding set made with recyceled gold and the diamonds are supposedly ethically obtained, but who really knows.  I own faux fur and leather as stated above.  I try to buy organic and local.  I go to church when I can.  I purchase from small businesses when given the opportunity.

It is not my job to police the world with my personal fashion choices.  

Post # 107
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Buzzing bee

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SoonToBeMrsT16:  I totally understand! And I love diamonds-I am in the love both camp. I will be annoyed if I develop the oil slick…..but I do put the moissy in the sonic cleaner at work everyday. I wonder if that is maintaining its perfect appearance and preventing any oxidation from occuring?

Post # 108
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: January 2016

this is very interesting, i guess my info was a bit out-dated.

 

i went to look up Herfindahl-Hirschman Index (HHI) for the diamond industry, which is what department of justice uses to determining whether a market is considered monopolistic.

 

The HHI takes into account the relative size distribution of the firms in a market. It approaches zero when a market is occupied by a large number of firms of relatively equal size and reaches its maximum of 10,000 points when a market is controlled by a single firm. The HHI increases both as the number of firms in the market decreases and as the disparity in size between those firms increases.

The agencies generally consider markets in which the HHI is between 1,500 and 2,500 points to be moderately concentrated, and consider markets in which the HHI is in excess of 2,500 points to be highly concentrated. “

 

The most recent data i can get is an HHI = 2600 for diamond industry, which is highly concentrated, but i guess its not monopolistic!

 

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Post # 109
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Sugar bee
  • Wedding: August 2011

Oh and that mystery stain on moissy I have only heard of happening to AG once, but if it happened to mine I would replacde it with a diamond since I would be left with no other options.

Post # 110
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: September 2015

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Mrs.Bill:  a bee on here posted her research/theories about….maybe 
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FutureDrAtkins: ?? 

 

Post # 111
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: February 2009

I have both.  I love both!  But I love diamonds more.  The benefit of moissy is the price.  I like large stones and I like variety, so multiple large ct weight diamonds is not an option for me.  It is also easily replacable, so for things like earrings, it is my go to.  I would be scared to wear 2 or 3ctw on  a daily basis with diamonds, but I can wear it in moissy and not worry as much.

Post # 112
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: January 2013

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Mrs.Bill:  thank you for clarifying! im only just learning all of the lingo, and dont want to make a mistake in ordering one if its not actually right for me. 

do you suggest the OEC over the RB? 

Post # 113
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2014 - Chicago, IL

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Mrs.Bill:  Moissanite can in fact oxidize at room temp, see this article:

http://www.nsrrc.org.tw/NsrrcWebSystem/UPLOADS%5CCHINESE%5CPUBLISH_YEARLY%5C2002~2003/p64-67.pdf

I have a reoccuring stain that didn’t appear until about 10 months into wearing my ring. If it was from the polishing glue, I think it would have surfaced before 10 months. And it would permanently go away after cleaning, not keep coming back… 

ETA: When you call C&C and request a cloth for the stain they send it immediately without hesitation and without asking any questions besides your mailing address, of course. The cloth comes with a letter from C&C stating that they do not know what the stain is, and that it’s natural for stone’s to develop a “film.” 

EETA: (Sorry, lol) I think it could be an organic or metallic film build up, too. It’s possible. Someone mentioned on a different thread that it could be reacting with hard water and that could be possible too.  The only way to know is to actually test it, and I think C&C owes us that. Especially for those of us that can’t get the stain permanently removed.

Post # 114
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: February 2009

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FutureDrAtkins:  have you told Beth?  She was getting some cloths in from C&C to help with this.

Post # 115
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Buzzing Beekeeper
  • Wedding: March 2014 - Chicago, IL

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jcent:  Yes, I e-mailed her very briefly. She referred me to the number to get the cloth directly from C&C and they mailed me one that very day. I don’t expect Schubach’s to do anything; this is not their fault

I’ll take pictures of my cleaning cloth (to show how much I’ve used it, lol) and my ring with the stains to show everyone. It’s very hard to capture, so hopefully I can get some good lighting.

Post # 116
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 1984

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nowmarriedgirl:  Both cuts are very pretty, it really is up to your personal preference. I have OEC moissanite earrings and I love that cut but still prefer the H&A of the AG (Amora Gem.)

Post # 117
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: City, State

I only wanted diamond because I love how they look. I saw a moissanite in person and really didn’t like how green it looked. It was a forever brilliant, too, and still looked green. If you’re worried about ethics, buy from somewhere that has ethically sourced diamonds like DH and I just did for my ring that I’ll be getting for Valentine’s Day. It may sound heartless, but unethical mining will go on whether or not a few people decide not to buy the diamond. SOMEONE else will. I think we should be more focused on living good, kind lives ourselves rather than boycotting places that aren’t so ethical. Go ahead, flame me for saying that. I just think that being a bitch to other people cancels out your simulant. (Not saying everyone is a bitch, just saying, I think a lot of people have their priorities in life really backwards) JUST ADDING: I think the whole concern over moissanite vs. diamond is really silly. I never see someone’s engagement ring in person and think, “oh I wonder if she has a moissanite or a diamond. If she DOES have a moissanite, she’s totes not in my friend group anymore.” Just no.

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Post # 118
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: February 2009

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FutureDrAtkins:  Well, if the cloth is not working well, maybe just let Beth know…  i had this stain once and they were able to remove it and ot never came back…  I am sure Beth would not want to leave you with this stain.  😉

Post # 119
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 1984

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FutureDrAtkins:  I’m no chemist and most of that paper is above my head but it seems that, in order for oxidation/reduction to occur an extremely high concentration O2 (1000 L) and temp (500C) had to be applied. Also, oxidation/reduction occurs at the atomic level and I don’t think the type of cloth provided would be able to even temporarily ameliorate the problem. I know that SiC has both covalent and ionic bonds and that ionic bonds are stroger, perhaps this inluences oxidation? If you have a deeper understanding of oxidization/reduction reactions in SiC would you mind simplifying it for me?

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Post # 120
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: August 2012

I chose moissanite over diamond because moissanite was the best available (colorless) gemstone when I got my ring. It is physically superior to diamond in almost every measurable category, I liked the idea of having “the best”, for me personally that was moissy. There were other reasons, such as its cool space origins & whatnot, but the physical superiority helped really sell me. If I hadn’t found moissanite we would’ve gone with diamond because of diamond’s physical qualities, which exceed most other gems. Today I would pick an Amora Gem. 

As for the oil stain, people need not worry about it. It is so not a problem. A very small percentage of moissanite owners ever even see this, and if you do it’s a simple fix. I’ve had my stone nearly 3 years and never seen it, but I still got the cloth just to polish my stone. Like, it’s such a simple fix it’s not even worth talking about! 

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FutureDrAtkins:  is one of only two people I’ve ever seen report a reoccuring problem, and C&C should replace her stone under its lifetime warranty. FutureDrAtkins have you contacted them to ask for a replacement after the polishing cloth failed?

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