(Closed) Why SHOULD childless women do longer hours to cover for working mothers?

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Post # 47
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: July 2013

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@Sassygrn:  I think what child free women are trying to say is that you CHOSE to have children…the day care aspect is something to be considered before you make that CHOICE to have children…..

So it’s great, you chose that, but you should not get special consideration for holiays, or get the same pay for less hours either…that is just simply NOT FAIR….and it’s actually illegal in Canada to do that…it’s discrimination….

I work for the school board so I can ONLY take march break, christmas vacation and some of the summer off for vacation, so my DH has to take that time too…no, we don’t have children yet, but if I HAVE to only take that time why should another co worker of his always get to have that time off just because they have children?  I am 100% NOT ALLOWED AND NOT PAID FOR VACATION ANY OTHER TIME OF THE YEAR.  I’m not getting docked in pay because someone else CHOSE to have children

Post # 48
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Bumble bee
  • Wedding: June 2014 - Cedar Lake Cellars

I love this article.  It’s all my work frustrations written out!   

No, I don’t want to work extra so you can pick up your kids.

No, I don’t want to hear about your kids constantly.

No, you aren’t allowed to be crazily absent-minded (to the point of being bad at your job) just because you have kids at home.

No, I don’t want to work more nights, weekends, and holidays because I have “no family”.  

No, you aren’t allowed to work from home one day if you never actually get any work done from home!

Gah!!  Meanwhile, my personal problem coworker is so super stress-free and happy acting that half the people would think I’m crazy for resenting her.  It’s because I’m overworked and picking up the slack!

Post # 49
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Buzzing bee

@ZebraPrintMe:  I completely agree with this! You CHOSE to have children and I should never be obligated to work more holidays, longer hours, etc. because of YOUR choices.  Fortunately, I am blessed to have a career where I do not have to deal with this.

Post # 50
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2014

Should co-workers be asked to pick up slack?

I think the answer is sometimes.  The article pointed out that the elderly father was not granted the same grace as kids….well that was wrong.

Caregiving employees DO have a bigger burdans than typical employees.  A young 20yo new hire is going to have less demands on his/her time than a 40yo woman with kids who takes care of her parents.  Socailly the 20yo has wants, but that’s different than needs.

Work is work, im all for the youngers sleping through the cruddy job to get to a higher place in the company.  By the time you are in your 30’s however, your private life should take presidence if it is not too overbearing….regardless of singlehood or childlesness.

Post # 51
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Blushing bee

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@searock:  I don’t agree with what you’re saying.  You’re making assumptions.  Everyone has different circumstances at home, and you may be none the wiser to what someone is dealing with.  That young 20 something may have an ill parent to take care of.  You also have to remember that everyone’s priorities are based on where they are in life.  Just because they dont have kids, does not make their personal needs a “want”.  That’s really judgemental and discriminating.  You only see their age, and assume that they are carefree and only have “wants” whereas they may have legitimate “needs”.  Don’t judge a person by their age.  If you’re hired for a 40 hr week, with holidays, then you should work that schedule.  If you can’t work the schedule, or expect someone to cover for you, then that is the wrong schedule/job for you. 

 

Post # 52
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: September 2014

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@NK2012:  problem is no job that I know of is 40 hours anymore.  Not retail, not healthcare, not education or construction or military.

Yes, someone in their 20’s should be expected to sacrifice more…that’s why you move up in a company.

And yes, unless some other human is depending on you for a physical need, then you have wants and not needs to be out at a certian time.

I’ve run bookstores and I now work in education.  I was asked to do alot of junk becuase my manager had kids.  I also got leeway when I had to care for my good freind’s kids….and thus the part timers had to do more and take on more responsibility…they had to stay later and not go out with friends or any other things.  Too bad, so sad.  But that’s the way life works.  We understood if they had needs (to drive a parent/grandparent to an appt) but it was very much on a case by case basis and not regular.

Post # 53
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Bee Keeper

I can’t see a single reason why they should.

Or why an employee of any gender or personal situation should feel pressure to work a single hour of overtime that has not been previously negotiated well in advance with their employer.

If it’s important enough to the employer, the employer will create enough of an incentive to attract people who really do want to work overtime for whatever the incentive (3X normal rate of pay is usually a winner here).

No employee should come to work for fewer hours than what they have agreed to, either. They may choose to get paid for fewer hours (e.g. a 30 hour workweek, why not?) or they may negotiate a different or flexible time schedule, but no employer should ever have to pay an employee for a single hour of time they are not actually working or there and ready to work (on the employer’s clock in some way).

It’s never for other employees to make up for a dysfunctional employer/employee relationship.

Post # 54
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Honey bee

I think everyone should be treated the same. Employees without children shouldn’t have to make accomodations for employees with kids, and the same goes for the other way. If accomodations are made at the workplace, it should be through a system that is accessible to all employees (ranked by seniority, or who puts in the time off first, or whatever). That way, no one can use kids as an excuse.

Post # 55
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: April 2013

Wow. Maybe I’ve just been lucky in that the places I’ve worked have been really good about treating everyone equal. All of the women I work with have children, as do the men (and not all are married). I’m the only one who is childfree.

My co-workers get time off to go play parent and I get an understood “tardy pass” If I come back a few minutes late from lunch because everyone knows I have to run home and walk my dog.

That said, I do tend to plan my vacations around other people. DH and I don’t need to take a whole week off when a long weekend will do just fine.

Post # 56
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Wannabee

Hilarious that people are going to infringe on the rights of others… what about the fact that some woman CAN’T have children… should they be penalized for those who lacked the foresight to use contraception and now find themselves in an undesirable situation, or event those who choose to have children and can or can’t support them?  So many variables, hmmmm hot topic… I personally think every hiring should be seniority based and therefore not up for debate!  Besides having children should be a huge descision that too many take lightly these days, so for those responsible people out there who ‘choose’ not to have children, or ‘choose’ to have children… what about choice and equality? is that not what we as women have been fighting for for over 100 years, and some woman are going to subject their views on what they consider right and wrong… you cannot give someone freedom and rights and then tell them when you expect them to excercise these rights… how free is that?  Sounds like there needs to be some unionization!

Post # 57
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Busy Beekeeper
  • Wedding: June 2011

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@darkflame:  I never said I should get special consideration, did you not read my post?  I said I have been on the no child considering my child is almost 2. And we did take into consideration about daycare considering I was working from home and it worked perfect unfortunately work has now made me go into the office which make daycare a bit more challenging.

And do you think I like getting docked because my child is sick and I have to leave work because he can’t be at daycare?  ( I don’t get sick pay so if I have to leave work because he is sick I get docked and can get written up and even terminated)

There are two sides of the coin, I was just commenting it is not fair on both sides, since I have been on both sides. 

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