(Closed) Why so picky with replicas?

posted 8 years ago in Dress
Post # 17
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Bumble Beekeeper
  • Wedding: May 2013

It is a little bizarre… People with CZ don’t expect them to pass as diamonds, people with conterfit bags don’t expect them to be ideantical to the real deal (except the logo)… But bridal dresses with far and above the most detail have to magically be identical? That is a LOT of expectations for a place selling you a $400 copy of a $6500 dress!

Post # 18
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

I think every bride deserves her dream wedding dress.  I think the reason people are so picky with knock offs from China is that there is a small part of them that worries that they will be scammed or recieve something totally different to the original photo (which happens A LOT with various internet based companies), or have to scratch it up to a loss.  When you buy from a store, or even get a dress made from a local seamstress, you are assured quality because you can see and touch the dress (which does a lot to calm stressed out bride’s nerves!)

Jasmine’s has proven themselves time and time again to be amazing and produce quality work but like any company…even they can make mistakes.  We are all human after all 🙂

I think the real problem is that Jasmine’s allows brides who are by no means seamstresses to ask for modifications or corrections when a dress differs from the original and the bride’s expectations. You get brides asking for a ruffled skirt to have smaller ruffles.  In their head that might just think smaller ruffles, easy!, In the production team’s head they are thinking that they now have to take apart the entire skirt and cut each one of the 800 ruffles to a smaller size and then put it all back together again.   I know that once I started thinking about things from a sewing point of view (as in, how would I do this if I was making this dress), what was possible and what was not became a lot more clear 🙂

Post # 19
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@Andyboots:  What’s a trello board?

I think brides go into it thinking that the expensive dresses are expensive not bc it costs more to make, but because of the name. Therefore, someone who can replicate it should be able to make it exactly the same for a cheaper price bc you’re not paying for the brand, you’re just paying for the work. I think it’s easy to think, “Why can’t they just look at the dress and make it EXACTLY the same?” I also think sometimes the pix of the dresses make the dress look different than what they actuall are. I’ve noticed it before in the pro shots of the model in a dress and then the bride in the dress.

I’m actually upset that Jasmine’s is apparently not taking custom orders anymore. I am 99% certain that by the time I come to order a dress, I will want a combination of 2 dresses (top of one, skirt of another) just bc I’m having a difficult time finding exactly what I want even online. Of course, I haven’t gone dress shopping yet, so I will wait for that.

Post # 20
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: January 2014

@bee1000:  I don’t agree that you are assured quality with a local seamstress, actually. 

Post # 21
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: January 2014

@futuremrsk18:  trello is a website where people can share photos and communicate about the dress with the staff of jJasmine’s. but trello is not just for jasmine’s- anyone can set up a board as I understand it, and then invite members. 

Post # 22
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Honey bee
  • Wedding: June 2014

@Andyboots:  Can you link me to Jasmine’s trello board???

Post # 23
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

@futuremrsk18:  It’s like a message board where you post “cards” which are kind of like thread and you can shift them to different boards depending on what part of the inquiry or design process you’re up to and you can mark it off as completed and such.

I’m disappointed as well. I really wanted to order a custom dress from Jasmine’s but that’s not going to happen now so I just ended up buying from somewhere else.

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@Andyboots:  I looked.. and wow, my head’s spinning.

Post # 24
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: June 2013

@Andyboots:  I mean that you KNOW exactly what quality you are getting in terms of fabric and style because you are there with the seamstress looking at the fabric, feeling it, getting mutliple fittings, seeing the progression.  I don’t mean that a local seamstress always produces TOP QUALITY work 😛

Post # 25
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491 posts
Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

Well, “replica” dresses are actually knock-offs, illegal intellectual property theft….fakes. And obviously I’m against them. But I’m not surprised that people are picky about them!

I think it’s one thing when a bride wants to find someone to make her a beautiful gown in her price range, uses a photo of a design she likes as inspiration, and adds her own ideas. Then obviously she’s not going to be picky about matching the original photo exactly because she’s not trying to steal that design.

On the other hand, if you’re really trying to make a fake gown that’s exactly like someone else’s design, it makes sense that you want it as close as possible to the original design because in your heart you know it’s not the “real thing” so you pick apart the details!

Post # 27
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201 posts
Helper bee

@PromiseRooster:  Eeeeeeehhhh. Wrong answer. Try again. And look up intellectual property law while you’re at it.

 

Sounds like someone doesn’t want to share the good cookies.

 

Post # 28
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Helper bee

@Andyboots:  I just looked, and wow. Yeah, I wouldn’t want to deal with that! Yeesh! All that “I am so bored of the dress” stuff…wow.

Post # 29
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Buzzing bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

@mllebertin:  I made the mistake of clicking on her profile name and out of curiousity, wanted to know how many times she’s posted regarding her dress. It just keeps going…

Post # 30
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Helper bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

@mllebertin:  Bless your heart, I work in luxury brand management (so there’s my obvious bias) and I’ve taken classes on intellectual property theft.

Believe me, I can’t afford many of these dresses either…but I don’t consider knock-offs “the good cookies.” It actually bums me out that someone would think I want other brides to just not have great dresses…it’s actually the opposite: I hope every bride can find a gorgeous gown in her price range instead of being stuck with a knock-off!

I know it’s a hot-button topic and my position can be controversial, but I think it’s both wrong and a rip-off, and brides are usually better off without these gowns!

Post # 31
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Helper bee

@PromiseRooster: great, I work as a fashion professional in NYC myself!

So let me pass on the TL;DR on fashion and intellectual property law. Only certain textile prints and trademarks can be copyrighted (I.e. the cc symbol of Chanel, the Hermes logo, a DVF print, etc..)

Despite the efforts of the CDFA, executed fashion designs cannot be copyrighted (i.e. an existing garment). Congress has never given them this, and this is unlikely to change. IDPPPA has been stuck in committe for how many years? 

Intellectual theft cannot take place on non copyrighted work.

Jasmine Dresses are 100% legal. 

 

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