(Closed) Why so picky with replicas?

posted 8 years ago in Dress
Post # 32
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: August 2013

I think it’s a couple things.  First of all, expectations.  If the place showed you photos of the dresses they have actually made, and you select your dress from those photos then you are expecting what you see and if you get what is in the photo you are happy.  They, however, show you photos of the “real” dresses – professional photos with models where every aspect of the dress has been put into its best light and often is tweaked and pinned and whatever to make it look nicer.  So that is what you expect.  – what is in the photo.  Even though it may be too good to be true, etc.  If the lace or beading looks a certain way in the photo, that’s what you tend to think you are going to get.

The second thing is that pretty much all wedding dresses are made in China anyway, from places that are probably very similar to each other.  Why can’t one Chinese dress manufacturer make what another one can?  The markup from buying in the wedding salon is not coming from China, it is coming from the dress designer/company and the salon.  It’s like cutting out the middlemen just puts you down to the “real” price of the dress/materials/sewing.  There’s no “real” reason for a bunch of satin and lace to cost $6000 to sew into a dress.

All that said, I agree that you are not going to get perfection when you’re looking at a designer dress photo and having a replica made. But I think that it is not unreasonable for people to have those expectations going in, unless they have read about others’ experiences and seen photos, etc, of replica dresses in comparison.

Post # 33
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Bumble bee

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@mllebertin:  +1000 it is very legal, a lot of designers copy off of each other! that’s the fashion world. 

Post # 34
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: August 2014

I tried on some dresses today by sottero and midgely and I have to say the quality was awful!! 

either side of the bust didn’t match, it was rolling over. 

The lace wasn’t even on the neckline… 

Think I’d rather it be made online if that’s the quality of the 1000£ dresses. 

Post # 35
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: October 2013

Actually most of a everything comes from China 

even when you order from the designer they send it to their factor to be mmade

hence the wait of 6-12 months

in regards to designers copying

the straps I added to my replica

I found 6 designers with the same dress

it happens all the time

I hate to see the dresses where people have jasmine change the dress 16x 

 

and asking to rebead a entire dress is crazy 

 

 

 

Post # 36
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Bee Keeper
  • Wedding: June 2014

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@Andyboots:  Ah, no. That does not work. I guess I haven’t ordered a dress yet from Jasmine’s (don’t know whether I will or won’t) so maybe that’s why I don’t know about the trello board or have a link.

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@Jennlee:  +1 – they post the pictures of the actual dress instead of a picture of their version/replica of that dress. You expect for it to be the exact same as the picture they post! I can totally see that being a problem. Actually, I hate to look at the dresses they have available, they used to have a link to where you could see all the past dresses they’ve made. I can’t find the link anymore, but I found it so much more useful to look at those dresses instead.

Post # 37
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

+1

Post # 38
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Blushing bee
  • Wedding: May 2014

+1

Post # 39
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Busy bee
  • Wedding: May 2015

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@mllebertin:  It’s interesting that we work in the same place in the same field and have such different views on this! 

Post # 40
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Worker bee

This is a really great discussion. I think there are a couple of more things that happen too. A bride soon learns that there are lots of variations on the same designs out there (let’s face it, all of the designers pretty much copy each other so it’s silly to just call out China dressmakers) but she chooses HER dress because there’s some element of it that stands out to her and makes it unique. All sweetheart necklines are not cut the same, etc. When a dressmaker in China sees that same dress he or she thinks, for example, “Fit and flare, lace, sweetheart neckline, corset back – got it” and proceeds to make a dress with those generic design elements. The bride then sees the photos and is baffled as to why the dressmaker hasn’t made a dress with the subtleties that makes her dress unique. She didn’t want just a generic “fit and flare, lace, sweetheart neckline, corset back wedding dress.” And it seems like it would have taken the same amount of time to make it more like the original instead. The two popular Inbal Dror dresses that Jasmines makes are perfect examples. The one with the spaghetti straps has a unique neckline which really defines the look of the bodice. Jasmines repeatedly, and with varying degrees of success, replicates that neckline as a “V” shape, which it isn’t. It would save so much time if they just made the original neckline, but they seem to just have generic necklines which they make. And the strapless dress has subtleties in color and design of the train which are obvious in the photos, but brides have had to request those elements in the revision process. I guess my point is that there are picky brides who pounce on every detail or perceived flaw, and that can be especially frustrating in customized dresses, but most brides ordering replicas are happy as long as they get the design that they fell in love with.

Overall, I agree with the changes Jasmines is making. I think that that revision process is a good teaching tool for their teams, which James has said himself. I’m glad that they’re keeping that with their designer grade service for the brides who really want it. I hope their less experienced people get to be part of that service too, so they can improve the quality of their premium service. Even though it costs a whopping 50% more, if their prices are reduced 20% overall, it should effectively make designer grade 30% more than current prices. I don’t know that for sure, but it seems to me that it should work like that. There are still places that will make customized dresses, though after seeing my daughter try on about 140 dresses at 16 bridal shops, I learned that as soon as she said she loved a dress, “if certain changes are made,” it was the sign that it wasn’t the right dress. I really do believe that the right dress is out there for every bride; sometimes it just takes a lot of looking. I just hope that these changes are successful enough that they don’t follow through on the idea of only accepting orders from resellers. They have a great product and a necessary service for brides; it would be such a shame to lose it if those changes don’t make everyone happy.    

Post # 41
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Helper bee

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@PromiseRooster: I guess, but the law is the law. The dresses are not illegal, period.

Post # 42
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Worker bee
  • Wedding: March 2014

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@PromiseRooster:  I don’t want to stir, but I’m curious.

You said you had taken courses on intellectual property theft (I’d say it’d be rights but I’m not an exper) and yet, your opinion seems to be nothing more than speculation/a hunch?. @mllebertin gave what seems to be a pretty solid legal position on the legality of the designs, not just a “view”, so I’m curious to know, from the courses you’ve taken,  what is your basis for saying that replica companies were doing something illegal? 

 

I’m not asking because I’d like to read a “view”  or an opinion, as that’s clear enough in your case, but an argument based in the law… 

Post # 43
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Helper bee

@Colbride:  Darn it, you beat me to it! 😉

I have a feeling she is one of those people who won’t admit she is wrong. Instead, she writes a short post dodging the issue at hand.

@PromiseRooster

“Luxury Brand Management”, is that a way of saying you work in a shop?

Nothing wrong of course with working in a shop, but the labels will feed them all kinds of propaganda like this that have nothing to do with the reality of the law. I work on the other side of the industry, and their tactics are well known.

I must say, I find it odd for you to come into a thread that your belief system so clearly deviates from, and then espouse your opinions as law (2 different things). For what? Did you think every bride was going to cancel her (perfectly legal) order in unison? Or did you come in to demand your opinion be heard and then walk away with you fingers in your ears? Clearly, you were not trying to start a debate (or were you?)

 

Please forgive any iPad typos 

Post # 44
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Bumble bee

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@PromiseRooster:  +1    If you don’t want to be disappointed, buy the real thing in your price range.  There are plenty of beautiful gowns out there without having to be disappointed by a replica.  It may take some leg work but thats what makes it extra special in the end.  You found it!

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