Post # 77
I personally do think it is ridiculous to open at midnight or 10 pm on the evening of Thanksgiving… I can understand those working in retail being annoyed. Like PP have stated those working in critical areas such as healthcare or firefighters, etc. Yet another reason I do not do Black Friday. Seems like a lot of trouble to sav a couple bucks.
Post # 78
@UpstateCait: My position still stands as “suck it up and get over it”. You know what you get yourself into when you started working in retail.
Yup! I do think the early hours that the big stores open at insane, but as long as consumers line up to for it will continue. And these stores flame this more is more culture because they are only interested in their bottom line. For years I refused to deal that madness. I don’t give a rats behind how cheap that 56′ is, I’m not getting out of my bed or camping out the night before for any amount of savings. E.V.E.R. Typically the day after Thanksgiving I love to be curled up in my warm bed, spend time visiting friends and eatting lots of leftovers. However, this year I maybe working thatschedule at my new retail gig, I started today! But I was sure to pick a store that had reasonable hours. As far as this guy, I think he has all day to enjoy the Thanksgiving holiday. He had ample notice to schedule dinner and activities earlier. So my sympathy level is pretty low.
Post # 79
@village_skeptic: I totally agree with you. I HATE the sentiment of “suck it up, at least you have a job”. SO WHAT?! Does that mean I should be punished with ridiculous working hours or time away from my family? And I get that he’s in retail and should’ve expected to work that day, I GET THAT, but the sentiment of a lot of the posters here is over the top. People complain about their jobs all the time. So what. This guy chose to do it in a public forum….goody for him. Maybe he WANTS to get fired. But to say “at least he has a job” just sounds bitter to me.
I feel strongly about that sentiment because I have heard it a lot over the last 3 years from the same people who used to complain when they had jobs. It’s like all of the sudden I’m the bad guy cuz I have a job. The fact is I’m doing the jobs of THREE people thanks to this recession, so yes, I have a job but NO I’m not grateful to have to work 50 – 60 hours a week out of fear of losing my job if I don’t. Executives KNOW they have employees over the barrel cuz everyone is scared to lose their jobs so they purposely treat them like shit. I believe THIS is the root of this man’s rant.
Ok end of rant.
Disclaimer – Before you all jump on me, please know that I threw my back out this week and am on a strong muscle relaxer and percocet so my mind is a lot fuzzy.
Post # 80
@GreenEyedMoon: I did the same thing in Korea. There, I had no complaints because it was expected there and everyone does it (it was really a non-issue).
Here in the US, there are certain jobs that I agree, you should expect to work. It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have the right to be sad about it, but keep the complaints to a reasonable amount.
However, there are retail situations where I understand where this guy is coming from. It sucks to have a job where you’ve always had the holiday off and all of a sudden you’re required to come in on a holiday because the store changed its hours. More and more retailers are opening their doors earlier (like midnight early) and I for one would be pissed if I had to come in on Thanksgiving night never having to do so before. Sure you get the whole day with your family, but I wouldn’t be able to relax (or drink!) at all knowing I would have a long night ahead of me. It would probably ruin my day.
If I worked retail that wasn’t Best Buy, Target, Walmart, or another major department store, I wouldn’t expect to have to come in early so I’d be upset if there was a change. I’ve worked retail Black Fridays and that was bad enough.
(PS dealing with customers on Black Friday is THE WORST. You really see the worst side of people).
Post # 81
I was never happy about having to drag my ass out of bed at 3am to go to work on Black Friday and through the holidays, but I sucked it up and did it. I’m sure in the end, he’ll suck it up and do it too. Yes, he’s being over teh top calling in to the radio and such, but I think he has a right to complain.
For me, this whole thing boils down to why I now hate the holidays. I HATE that Christmas/holidays are now about shopping and material possessions and commercialism rather than family and love and quality time. Kids used to ask for a toy train or a new Barbie, now they want an iPad, a cell phone and a PS3. It’s bullshit and I hate it. I hate what our society has become. In my family, they don’t even want me to buy presents this year because I am flying home from the UK to spend it with them. My mother told me that having me home was enough for her. THAT is what Christmas should be about. Family.
I love that when people vent here it’s “OMG don’t jump on her, she’s just venting!” and in this topic… everyone is saying this guy has no right to vent. If there was an eye rolling smiley, I would use it right now.
Post # 82
I HATE Black Friday with a passion. Having worked this day for multiple years, I’ve seen the ugliest side of people. I refuse to shop on Black Friday because I want to have nothing to do with the greediness of this day.
On the other hand, I’ve worked in retail management, so I also know what it’s like to not have an employee show up on big holidays. It sucks because you need all the people you can get and I would get angry at people who accepted seasonal jobs and thought they should be “excluded” from working the holidays. What a catch-22!
ETA: While we’re talking about Black Friday…
Fiance has JURY DUTY on Black Friday. Now tell me THAT doesn’t suck.
Post # 83
If you go down the retail path then you know what is expected of you (esp on black friday) If you are fussy about working holidays then choose a different job path.
Post # 84
I agree with Zippy. Thanksgiving is supposed to be about giving thanks, not about being the first in line to buy the discounted TV. There has been a shift in societal focus from family to stuff. I mean, if you REALLY want that TV, does it matter if you get it at midnight? or 8am? No.
I understand some people enjoy shopping on this day but it doesn’t have to start on the holiday before it. I think the guy has a right to be upset. He didn’t sign up for working Thanksgiving when he got the job, so that part of the argument isn’t valid. Just because you have a job these days doesn’t mean you have to be happy about everything that goes with it.
Post # 85
I think the lack of sympathy irks me more than anything. I feel bad for people having to work on holidays like Christmas or Thanksgiving regardless of their education, field, etc.
Some jobs like firefighting and nursing etc are essential and I am so grateful to the people who are there for us when we NEED them…
But there are things we don’t NEED such as discounted electronics and appliances and clothes…
I’m thinking a little empathy and compassion would go a long way
Post # 86
@VegasSukie: I don’t think saying that “atleast he has a job” is bitter at all. It’s the truth. Darling Husband and I are lucky enough to be employed full time with pretty decent jobs but I know a lot of people who aren’t. Those people would kill to have to get up 10 pm to make money for their family instead of worrying about how they’re going to give their kids a Christmas this year. Everyone complains about their job, I know I certainly do, but I would NEVER take those complaints to the nightly news. It’s a bit much if you ask me.
@reginaphalange: They didn’t say what retailer he works for but they did say it was a “big box store” so I would imagine it is Best Buy, Target or Walmart.
Post # 87
@UpstateCait: Makes sense. If I were working for one of those places, I wouldn’t be surprised to have to work those hours. Doesn’t make it suck any less.
But the “at least he has a job” mentality is a bit wonky, mainly because seasonal retail jobs are BEYOND easy to get (albeit temporary).
Post # 88
@reginaphalange: I totally get that. I’m in corporate retail so I know how easy it is to get seasonal employees into our stores. That isn’t this guys case though. He’s been at his job for 5 years so it’s not like it’s a temporary position.
Post # 89
A lot of you are talking about your hatred of Black Friday and such (which I hate it too, no disagreement there), but you do realize that a lot of stores are open on Thanksgiving day? All day? So it’s not like the stores opening early on Black Friday is suddenly making these people work holidays. Stores are open all day on Thanksgiving too and some people have to work all day. Which I guess was the main reason I said this guy has no right to (publicly) complain so much about working at 10pm. Sure, be sad, complain to family, but many people in retail, as well as medical staff and other jobs have to work all day on holidays.
@reginaphalange: Depends where you live. I’m a college student in a college town with 40,000 students. And a lot more people. Are there 40,000 student-friendly jobs around here? Hell no! Every job, even the crappiest cleaning, burger flipping, and retail jobs literally get hundreds of applications. My first year here I applied to over 200 jobs and got one interview.
Also, to those hating the “at least you have a job” mentality, I totally agree it’s wrong. I wish something could be changed. But the fact is, when you can’t eat because you don’t have enough money, it’s really annoying to hear people complaining like this guy is when he’s lucky enough to have a job. Bitterness? Yeah, you could call it that. I guess I just see it as a respect thing though, I’m gratful for my job out of respect for those who don’t have one.
Post # 90
@galloway111: But instead of some people blaming him for complaining…can’t we blame the economic situation? Or the corporations pulling in more than healthy profits but not passing them along? (I bet his tune would be different if he was well-compensated for that time.)
Or can’t people decide to tune him out if it makes them uncomfortable? Why does he have to be quiet?
Post # 91
@zagora: I definitely blame the poor economy. Again I just see it as disrespectful to those who can’t find jobs, to hear someone complaining and making such a big deal out of his, how many people are wishing they could work his job? They’d be happy to.The unemployment rate was over 9% the last time I checked. And that rate doesn’t include people like me, who are students but really need a job to survive.