Post # 92
I have my own brick & mortar retail shop that is super busy over the holidays, but gets absolutely buck wild on Black Friday and the weekend after. I myself work 12-15 hours, sometimes 7 days a week over holiday, and won’t hire someone to work if they’re not willing to work during the busy time. I realize it’s different when it’s YOUR shop (kinda like it’s different when its your kids 😉 ) but if you want a job in retail, you have to be willing to… work retail.
I have no sypathy for those who complain about working Black Friday or Thanksgiving or any other day. Be grateful that you have a job, that you applied for. Sorry 🙂
Post # 93
Yes, my point exactly. The U.S. unemployment rate is over 9%, and yet the income gap is the largest it’s ever been. The truth is that large corporations* are making out like bandits while people in my neighborhood are losing their house to foreclosure.
This goes back to my point earlier – I think there’s an overall sense of frustration that our laws (like tax breaks for corporations) have produced an economy that works only for CEOs and mega-millionaires.
Everyday people have tightened their belts repeatedly and given concession after concession on the job. But the profitable companies won’t ever stop – they keep making more and more demands despite very healthy profit margins. And they have the political power to force us to concede.
Economists say American corporations have an abundance of cash on hand – they just refuse to create jobs and reinvest in the American economy. The only way they’ll stop is if we get fed and and say enough is enough. And we need the media’s help to push back.
So for this guy to be ticked about working a minimum wage job on Thanksgiving when his employer is raking it in? Yeah, I get it. At least he should be well-paid for that sacrifice. Our frustration should be aimed at the large corporations that are hording profits and not creating good jobs.
*Small businesses, however, aren’t doing as hot – because they rely upon people spending money, which is hard to do if they’re barely getting by.
Post # 94
I think NO one should have to work on Thanksgiving. I never shop, eat out, buy gas, purchase anything or walk into a store on a Holiday. My whole family participates in this. EVERY worker deserves a day off to be with their family. No one should have to work. Ironically, DH has to work that day, but he is actually happy, because in years past he had to get up at 3 am to work retail at 4:30. Disgusting! I think people should find a different day to shop, but then again I am anti-consumer.
Post # 95
I honestly think we have all become complacent with the current state of our economy sice the standard comment is “At least he has a job”. The U.S. has the worst vacation/holiday benefit of any other country. Our maternity leave benefits are just as abismal. Most Americans are quite ignorant of what other countries demand for their citizens, the U.S. federal government dictates we as Americans are entitledto absolutely nothing.
Post # 96
I get that this guy is mad as most of us would be. I didn’t real all the previous posts so forgive me if this was already mentioned.
I think his real issue is that he is part time, so that means no time in half typically unless you work full time.
Also he has to go into work at 10pm yes that is plenty of time to have your dinner however they’re being made to work 8 or 10 hour shifts and I know I like to sleep before going into a full days work. Who knows how far away he or anyone else lives from this job too, 30mins an hour? So if someone has to get up and ready to leave at 9:00 for their 10:00 shift, plus sleep at the minimum of 6 hours that’s 3:00 so they’re eating then going right to sleep? That is if they’re even at home and not at a family member’s house. Times are tough and people will travel that far for minimum wage.
This brings me to another point: a nurse knows going into her/his job that they are required to work holidays as should retail workers. However nurses get paid a hell of a lot more than any retail employee, their jobs are also vital to so many more people.
I understand both sides suck it up and deal with it and it just sucks having to go in so early/late whatever you wanna call it.
Post # 97
Sorry, but for those who are siding with this guy and anyone else complaining about having to work for a paycheck – if they (or you) dont like it, then quit and try to find your dream job with dream hours. Can’t quit because you need the money to pay the bills? Then go to WORK like the rest of us. It’s really as simple as that. You can get upset about the current state of Corporate America and the government in general, but until you actively do something about it, this is what we have to work with. America is not without its faults, but it’s still an amazing country to live in and we should consider ourselves lucky in many ways.
Post # 98
@UpstateCait: I don’t think saying that “atleast he has a job” is bitter at all. It’s the truth. DH and I are lucky enough to be employed full time with pretty decent jobs but I know a lot of people who aren’t. Those people would kill to have to get up 10 pm to make money for their family instead of worrying about how they’re going to give their kids a Christmas this year.
zagora is kind of fighting this out in a parallel conversation, so I’ll be brief and just say that the guy who has to work terrible hours (probably without health benefits) and the people who can’t even GET a job that has terrible hours are part and parcel of the same increasingly exploitative system. We gotta ask WHY the economy sucks instead of just taking it for granted that it does. I’m not trying to be Ms. Tin Foil Hat here (ooh! can we have a Bee generation of crazy Internet stereotypes?), but to say that the current global economic situation is the result of a bunch of really terrible decisions mostly made by people who are a bit more powerful than “bad hours guy” and “can’t get a job people” isn’t too far off the map, IMO. This is not to discount the role of personal responsibility, but it is to point out that not all of us make our decisions with the same types of options.
Post # 99
@KristenGotMarried: You can get upset about the current state of Corporate America and the government in general, but until you actively do something about it, this is what we have to work with. America is not without its faults, but it’s still an amazing country to live in and we should consider ourselves lucky in many ways.
I love my fiance very much. Which is why asking him to put his dirty socks in the hamper instead of on the bedroom floor is A) proactive; B) not a sign that I don’t love him.
The analogy’s a bit broad, but just because I see issues with the corporate and economic structure of America doesn’t mean that I don’t see all of the benefits, too.
Post # 100
I worked retail management for a long time. I think the problem is that working at 10pm on thanksgivi ng is new. Not what he signed up for now if he worked for a 24 hour walmart then thats another story. and being a cop or a nurse there is a true need opf those services. Nobody is going to die or kill someone else because they couldn’t shop at 10 pm on a holiday. I got sick of not having anybody respet my quality of life and i changed careers. so now out of respect to retail employees I don’t shop these holiday hours. Not even black friday and my office is closed!
Post # 101
I assume you just mean no one working in retail? Because what if someone is traveling to see family and needs to stop at a gas station? What if they blow a tire or something else goes wrong with their car and they need a tow? Do we say screw all the people in hospitals so every doctor and nurse can have the day off? Do we forego police and fire services that day?
Post # 102
don’t forget the farmers!
I get that shopping on a holiday is a want – not a need. I can still remember when our grocery store was only open until noon on Sunday – and the store in DH’s hometown is still that way.
The reason stores are changing is because there is consumer demand for it. People stop shopping on Black Friday? The stores will put those big discounts on another day. They’ll do something different to draw us in. I think people forget that as the consumer – we drive what the stores do. The slow economy meant less people shopping. So stores started offering bigger sales and other incentives to get people through the doors. If no one shows up at midnight, they won’t keep doing it if it isn’t profitable for them.
Post # 103
He has every right to complain about his job. Bee’s on this site complain about how much there boss is a jerk, or how much they hate their co workers, the work is long and boring, how they site behind a desk all day. Should we tell them to just suck it up and deal with it? Or are they just venting? hmmm. So he bitched to a radio show, who cares. He’ll go to work just like you do, but he’ll have to go in and deal with every jerkoff that wants one of the only 10 in stock 399 television set. when he tells them they are sold out because they only had 10 to begin with they will call him every name in the book. But he’ll apologize and take their insults. All for “8” dollars an hour.
You said it before it is different when you own your own store. You want the store to be successful and make big bucks, so you are willing to go the distance to make it super successful. But what does the worker get? 8 dollars an hour to be harassed and insulted on what was once a holiday to be thankful.
Here is how many workers have recently ended up in retail:
B had a nice job. B lost it due to the budget. B has applied to jobs on craigslist, any job sites she can find, she networks, but nothing has come out of it yet because B’s over-qualified or not enough experience in a certain area, so the only thing left is a retail job, which she did in college. Its only part time so no benefits, no overtime, no holiday pay. 8 dollars an hour doesn’t really pay the bills that it did in college.
What else should B do, that B hasn’t done?
Post # 104
B should get a second part time job if the first one isn’t covering bills alone. I realize jobs aren’t growing in trees, but the ARE out there. Sometimes we need to do things we don’t want to do just to survive.
Look, I’m not trying to be a bitch and everyone has the right to vent about anything they want to – my point is that times are tough for everyone. Small business ownership is very difficult and I’ve made massive sacrifices to my personal life and bank account to do this. I’m lucky to have a popular, profitable store but right down the street is a shop who might not make it past holiday. But she’s not venting about it – she’s trying to do something about it, and she’s making back up plans just in case. She’ll survive no matter what – just as the general population will too, if they just power through it.
Black Friday (and holidays) in retail are brutal, no doubt about it. People scream and fight and call names and are nasty in general. So you leave retail and you move to the restaurant industry, where people will throw food at you, call you names and be nasty in general. So you leave food service and go into corporate, where people will throw you under the bus, call you names and be nasty in general. It’s everywhere; not just retail. It’s called work for a reason.. if it was truly fun they’d call it “going to Fun”, not going to work.
It’s a job, it pays money, it is what it is. It’s your life OUTSIDE of work that makes life enjoyable. There are a only select lucky few who truly enjoy going to work everyday.
Post # 105
Yep, and add dog kennels to the list. 🙂 I worked at one in high school and had to work quite a few holidays. That’s a 365 day a year job. Holidays were often our busiest times since people went on vacation. I also was a server and had to work many holidays in busy restaurants.
I appreciate doctors, nurses, police, retail, and everybody else who works on holidays. There are some jobs in which people just have to work!
I personally think it is silly for stores to open at midnight, but I don’t agree with those retail employees complaining, because I feel retail and holidays go hand in hand. I work in an office environment nowadays and have all holidays off, but if I were still working in a restaurant or at the dog kennel, I wouldn’t expect any holidays off. Just my opinion.
Post # 106
There’s quite a few industries when you think about it – I imagine things such as suicide (or other crisis) help hotlines really stay available over holidays.
Security guards and workers at prisons, I think a lot of manufacturing plants stay open 24 hours as well? Veterinarians, etc. Mother-In-Law works in a medical lab technician – you know when people get all their ‘labs’ done – yep, as she says, people still gotta have their poop tested on weekends/holidays!