Worried about finger coverage?! Bee need help!

posted 2 years ago in Rings
  • poll: Which diamond should I choose?!
    .75ct round diamond SI2, colour G, excellent cut : (36 votes)
    61 %
    .61ct round diamond vs1, colour F, excellent cut : (23 votes)
    39 %
  • Post # 18
    1138 posts
    Bumble bee

    Are you buying from an online jeweler or a local jeweler? Just curious because for the price you would pay at a local jeweler, you could easily get her a 1 carat stone of the same quality for the same price. Plus a lot of online vendors have pictures and videos of the diamonds as well as the GIA certificate number. 

    Post # 21
    2565 posts
    Sugar bee

    groom2be86 :  for the stone only or the entire ring? So long as you buy from a reputable online vendor, you can’t be hurt buying online. All reputable vendors have a return window that allows you time to see the stone for yourself, bring it to an appraiser, etc. You can easily search Pricescope for their list of good vendors and read all the reviews. We got our stone from Good Old Gold.

    Post # 22
    2565 posts
    Sugar bee

    Here’s a halo setting with pave shank for $1,170: 

    And a selection of Ideal-cut, G-color, VS diamonds ~$3,500 to give you an idea of what you can get online: 

    The great thing about some online vendors like James Allens is that they have AMAZING customer service. They will look at the stones you have in mind and tell you their personal preferences, etc. 

    Post # 24
    2362 posts
    Buzzing bee

    Normally I’d be okay with dropping in clarity to gain larger size, assuming the stone is still eye clean. However, I don’t think the jump from .61 to .75 is noticeable enough to justify dropping in clarity.

    Here’s a representation of the finger coverage you’d get from each stone (assuming set as a solitaire) on a size 8.5 finger.  .61 is on the left, .75 is on the right.  I think by the time you set either stone in a halo, most people would be hard pressed to tell the difference in size.

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    Post # 25
    1727 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2009

    groom2be86 : 

    They are honestly terrible. Both are a ‘steep deep’. This means it faces up small for its size and carries excess weight in its belly. That means you are paying for weight, you can’t see. It also fails in a check on how complimentary the angles are (HCA Tool, SI2 is 5.0 and VS1 is 4.9 — you only consider anything under 2.0).  In this below report, you want anything below 2 in “Total Visual Performace” and you want to see Excellent on light return, fire, and scintillation, and very good on spread. Bad stone that will cost you more and underperform. The SI2 looks worse. 

    This jeweller is not showing you good diamonds. All due respect, you can do MUCH better buying from a repultable online vendor. Please reconsider if this is the quality this vendor thinks is worth consideration. 

    These are way better, bigger and in your budget. Consider not buying the halo setting and putting all your budget into a diamond. You can give her the option to change the setting for your 1st anaversery. But, if you put $5k into a diamonds, you can get just under 1 carat. 



    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3660690.htm (.82)

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3520058.htm (.92)

    Can post more later…but read below to learn. 

    1) Round Diamond 101. These are measurements to help you stay in ideal cut territory with a GIA excellent cut round stone, but graded by any lab. The numbers in parenthesis are more ‘strict’ and will tend to favor a balance of brilliance and dispersion with high scintillation — they are preferred by some cut-picky folks in modern rounds.** 

    • table: 54-58 (57.5)
    • depth: 59-62.3 (61.8)
    • crown angle: 33.5-35.0 (34.3-34.9)
    • pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0)
    • Girdle thickness: between 0.7% thin to slightly thick

    2) Crown and pavilion angles must be complementary which is what the HCA checks for you.

     If a stone fits those numbers, then run it through the HCA tool. This is an exclusion tool, but it will eliminate any round that will be an automatic no. http://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca;  You want to see Excellent on light return, fire, and scintillation, and very good on spread. An overall score of 2.0 or lower means a diamond is worth exploring further (but a 1.0 isn’t necessarily better than 1.9). Eliminate anything with an HCA over 2.0. 

    3) Request an Ideal-scope. If you look at that same HCA website, you’ll see how to read them. If they don’t offer them, you can buy your own and look at home. 

    \Brilliance is reflected white light or white sparkle.

    Dispersion or “Fire” is reflected colored light or colored sparkle.

    Scintillation is the flashes of light or sparkle created when you or the diamond is moving…





    Post # 26
    1727 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2009

    groom2be86 :  See comment below. Stick with a reputable vendor online and they will blow away the stones you were shown. 

    • James Allen
    • Whiteflash
    • Brian Gavin
    • GoodOldGold
    • HighPerformanceDiamond
    • Brilliantly Engaged


    Post # 27
    2704 posts
    Sugar bee

    I think this is a .60ct. Size 9. Personally, I would go with the smaller stone. Visually there won’t be a huge difference in size and I’d prefer the superior specs. 

    Post # 28
    2565 posts
    Sugar bee

    I agree 100% with everything glitterysala says – she’s incredibly knowledgeable about diamonds. If I were your girlfriend, I’d rather you get me the largest quality diamond you could in a cheap solitaire setting. You two could save up for a while and combine monies to get a nice halo setting down the line. 

    And you really do not need to worry about buying a bad stone online. There are plenty of tools (like the HCA tool, and ASET) that will help determine if a stone’s good or not.

    The aspects that decide if a diamond is “good” or not:

    Color: Go as low as you feel comfortable in color – G/H is usually very safe, especially in a well-cut stone.

    Clarity: Go as low as you feel comfortable in clarity – VS is usually safe, but you need to check for “eye-clean” starting at VS2. It’s very rare that VS2 isn’t eye-clean though.

    Cut: ONLY look at excellent or ideal cuts

    Measurements: Use the HCA tool as described above.

    An ideal cut + good HCA scores will guarantee it’s not a dud. Plus, you always have the return window.

    Most importantly, I second her advice to DEFINITELY not use this jeweler. 

    Post # 29
    64 posts
    Worker bee
    • Wedding: City, State

    groom2be86 :  hey fellow Canadian!  I just wanted to chime in since my ring was 5k CAD and has similar features to what you are looking for.  It’s 0.73 ct, G colour, and VS1 clarity.  It’s in a platinum halo.  It’s from James Allen and we had a very good experience with them.

    I also don’t think there’s a substantial visual difference between a 0.6x ct stone and a 0.7x ct stone once it’s set, especially in a halo setting.

    Post # 30
    1727 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: July 2009

    Sorry if I come accross as blunt. I have 5, 7 year old little boys running around my house right now. Eeek. Read my comment in duchessgummybunns‘ calm and reasonable tone of voice 🙂

    James Allen : https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.71-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-2536089 (great stone!)

    This setting: https://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/halo/14k-white-gold-pave-halo-engagement-ring-item-18301

    What about this setting? Just have your diamond placed in it? The JA stone above will fit this. https://loupetroop.com/listings/settings/ritani-18k-ring-appr-0-5ctw-diamonds-sz6-dot-5;16342

    Ask grace if eye clean and how it performs. If good… this is perfect for her. Grace has a awesome eye for diamonds.

    http://www.jewelsbygrace.com/1-09ctw-round-brilliant-cut-diamond-3-stone-ring-by-ritani ****



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