Post # 1
So we keep getting good news about Darling Husband being offered this awesome job. Last night the recruiter says the big guy called him and wanted to know his current salary for his offer letter (something Darling Husband never discussed with the recruiter). I don’t believe your current salary should ever determine the salary you’re being offered at a new position. Especially if the position has more responsibility (which it does in this case).
I’m angry the recruiter did this and paranoid the offer willl be contingent on pay stubs or they’ll call his current company after hiring him to verify and revoke the offer. We coud possibly end up moving, both of us quitting our jobs and then have it puled from under us. I also find it a bit disturbing that someone could hypothetically call an office and ask to know someone’s current salary for a job offer their putting together.
Are there any legalities behind this? Is it really not that common? Anyone else bothered by this practice?
Post # 2
jpalm13: Actually, it’s quite common. Now, he doesn’t have to disclose, but then the company doesn’t have to offer him the job either. His former employer can’t disclose without his permision, so your Darling Husband will have to be the one telling them. Hopefully the company wants to make sure they are not under paying him, but they likely also want to make sure they aren’t “over paying” either. Your husband can decide after he gets the offer letter if the sallary that is being offered is worth it.
Post # 3
im confused. the recruiter lied? why? or did your husband lie? who lied and why?
Post # 4
I am a recruiter, and we almost always ask for a person’s current salary. We typically do it on the initial phone interview so I am unsure what is occuring in your husband’s situation. It does two things: 1) Let us know if the candidate is out of the position’s salary range and 2) Serve as a springboard for salary negotiations.
Every company is different when it comes to determining salary. Many times they look at your current pay and try to give an increase based off a percentage of your current salary. Depending on the position’s salary band or if your husband was underpaid, it could be quite significant. In most major corporations, positions are within a band with a low, mid, and high point. Typically, you try to go around 80% of the midpoint. If a company offers at the high point, then he most likely will not be eligible for raises unless he is promoted into the next salary band.
Background checks do check someone’s salary. If the recruiter lied to the company, it is his/her fault. Now, if your husband was honest on his application and background check form, it should not be an issue. Worst comes worst, they will ask for a W-2 or pay stubs.
Post # 5
jpalm13: It would be extremely unusual for a company to call to confirm salary with a previous employer. It would be even more unusual for the company called to disclose his salary.
When applying for my current job I lied about my previous salary. I usually would elect not to put anything, but the web application required the field be filled to move on. So I bumped my salary by 10%, when the offer came it was 10% higher than the salary I wrote down. I imagine this is not all that uncommon.
The only possible issue I could see coming up would be that if the salary stated by the recruiter is unusually high then there is a chance that the new employer could hesitate about making an offer because they did not think they could afford your husband. However the recruiter should have a good idea of what the company is willing to pay. There is absolutely now reason for them to need to know your current salary, and no reason, unless you are applying for another job in the same Labor Union for them to base the next salary on your current salary. The reason companies ask is to know a ball park of what kind of offer you would find acceptable. If they are willing to pay more than what you make now then they will pay it, there is no reason for you to need to confirm the salary.
Post # 6
jpalm13: It is very common, and in ways a ‘smart’ tactic. I would not worry, at all. A new company cannot ask an former company for a pay stub, or really salary information. If the new hire allows a future employer to contact a previous employer, it is for a character reference; job performance, reason for leaving the job, etc. When I get calls for references, I need a signature from the employee allowing me to do so, other than that it is a simple ‘yes, they were employed’, or ‘no, they were not’. I have NEVER ever given pay information!!
A lot of people seeking other employment will tell a prospective employer that they got paid MORE than they actually did. This would allow for ‘wiggle’ room in negotiating a salary, and/or the ability to bring home less wthout worrying about making ends meet. OR, they end up bringing home more because the employer matched their request! As long as the ‘current salary’ presented is not completely out of the norm, or too high for what someone that position would maybe make, then I cannot see an offer being pulled because of it.
To me, it is no different than putting your house on the market to sell for more than what you owe, or potentially more than what it may be worth. This way, you can either make more money on the sale, or negotiate when an offer comes in lower – so that you do not lose your *ss on the sale. I do not think it is dishonest, or wrong, but rather a way to protect yourself.
Post # 7
First, the only thing a former employer can divulge are the start dates and end dates of employment.
Second, asking about past salary is not uncommon nor is requesting to see W-2s or pay stubs.
If a potential hire believes they are worth more then that is where negotiating comes in.
Post # 8
Cluelessbride10: The recruiter never asked his current salary so he just made it up based on what the position should pay Darling Husband. DH has never had to fill out a formal application for the position. I’m worried a background check would bring this up. Which is why I’m really upset the recruiter did what he did. Now if Darling Husband gets the job and such a big income jump I’m obviously ok with it! haha
Bexx: The recruiter did since he never knew it in the first place.
MakingHerWait: This is also something we talked about. The salary he gave them is a number Darling Husband is willing to move for. We’re slightly worried the recruiter has priced him out of the job with the number he gave.
OUgal0004: Ok- more common than I thought. Guess I need to start doing this!
CurlyCue: The W2 is what I’m worried they’ll ask for. Since the recruiter inflated what he make,s now. I’ve never been asked to provide proof of income by a company but it isn’t unheard of.
Post # 9
Can your Darling Husband contact the company directly and give them the correct information? I disagree with PP’s who say it’s okay to lie about current salary. It’s not okay to lie about anything! If I found out that a potential employee lied or misrepresented anything, they would automatically be out of contention, or fired if they made it that far. Now that you Darling Husband knows of the misrepresentation, he needs to correct it.
Post # 10
@jpalm13 – his current salary would not come up in a background check. As PPs mentioned, because of various state laws that impose liability on employers for “blacklisting,” employers nowadays are very careful with what they will disclose. Most will only provide dates worked and position.
Post # 11
An employment screening company can ask for the salary of an employee when they left a company. A previous employer CAN legally disclose this in most states. They actually usually do NOT give character references, because this opens them up to a potential lawsuit. Most HR companies will only give start date, end date, position title, salary (if asked) and whether they resigned or were fired.
Post # 12
oh man I ALWAYS lie about that as advised by my mentor. It’s just how the game is played if you want to make more at your next job. Hell they’re expecting you to. You’re recruiter is a pro, I would just float along and if they ask your husband he can choose to tell the truth and pretend he didn’t know what the recruiter said or say there was a misunderstanding- he currently makes X but is asking for a salary of Y.
I DEFINITELY would not go out of your way to correct this.
Post # 13
jpalm13: It’s fairly common to ask about your current salary, even if you’re not going through a recruiter, because it helps the company balance their desire to find the best qualified candidate with how much they’re willing or want to pay for him/her. The recruiter didn’t do anything illegal, I’m sure he told them a salary that’s reasonable for your husband’s position and field – if he overshot, then the company would likely choose someone else who would accept a lower salary. It’s possible that your husband is underpaid and the recruiter wanted to inflate his salary to within reason as to get a higher offer, which would benefit both himself and your husband.
Post # 14
Jewelieee: He absolutely is underpaid (as am I) and that’s why I don’t like the question of your current salary at all. I’m mostly worried about him being eliminated because of the recuriter’s answer or caught in a lie (started by the recruiter). It’s a great opportunity for him and he’s really excited about it.
Post # 15
I think you’re worried over nothing. Your Darling Husband didn’t misrepresent anything, the recruiter did, that’s called plausible deniability. I’m sure the recruiter has a good sense for what the job should pay and that’s the number he gave, he doesn’t want to lose the commission either.
Even if you move and it is discovered that the prior salary information was incorrect, that’s grounds for the company to renegotiate the salary offer. Misrepresentations that lead to job offers being rescinded include lies about education and prior work experience. Salary is just a negotiation, and an ongoing one at that.