(Closed) Would you take Advantage?

posted 9 years ago in Paper
  • poll: Would you use the map
    Yes : (86 votes)
    87 %
    No : (13 votes)
    13 %
  • Post # 47
    Member
    2394 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: April 2010

    @smith2be: Er, it’s a publicity campaign for the product, not the artist.  And the product is in no way dissociated from the image given that it’s the only thing in the picture.  You can also click on the avatar itself and see the name of the company in the picture.

    I am not explicity denying the company monetary gain because I have not taken all their teapot toasters.  Nor am I claiming the teapot toaster was my idea.  Ultimately, however, that the image is part of an ad is not the point.  The teatoast photo was distributed expressly for purposes of being copied with no costs attached.  You have no way of knowing whether this is the case with the map because you refuse, for reasons I’m not understanding, to simply ask permission of the artist.  For all you know, she could say, ‘Oh, yeah.  No biggie. Print away!”

    I am not denying the photographer monetary gain because s/he sold the rights to the image to the company making the product.  The company then distributed the photo, for free, on the internet.

    Post # 48
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    916 posts
    Busy bee
    • Wedding: April 2011

    @smith2be: The pricing on the artist’s website is probably for creating a new image; I really think you should inquire if they will give you a price cut because they have already created the artwork. As others have said, the fact that you asked this question suggests you know deep down that it is wrong to use it. 

    @MightySapphire: It is not only illegal to use stuff for commercial use; it is also illegal to deprive the artist of income they would have otherwise gained. The argument that the OP made that they are not doing so because they wouldn’t have bought it is irrelevant–if I download a song that I would never listen to otherwise, it doesn’t make it any less wrong.

    Post # 49
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    332 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: May 2009

    Since no license was given to smith2be to use the map design in any manner, what is being proposed to do with it is copyright infringement and theft of intellectual property (both of which are illegal and immoral), whether it is used for personal or commercial purposes.

    Post # 53
    Member
    342 posts
    Helper bee

    Wow I’m surpirsed how heated this got!  I voted use it…you’re not using it for profit.  I don’t believe I did anything ‘illegal’ OR ‘immoral’ by using the Dallas Cowboys logo as an avatar and putting a heart on it.  I didn’t buy their logo, but I’m not selling it either.  The OP didn’t take it and start selling it as “her” map for other brides to use.  It made her invitation easier and more affordable.  It is, after all, a wedding invitation map, not an international travel brochure for profit.

    So to the OP I say: Go for it, girl!  Guilt free and happily!

     

    *And as a side, I’m a graphic designer and can honestly say if some random bride in the country saw a map I made online with her venue and was able to use it for 150 of her guests I wouldn’t be the least bit offended or outraged.

    Post # 54
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    5147 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    I’m a web developer, and I’ve seen this type of thing dicusessed many-a-time on web developer forums. The general consensus is “if you don’t want it out there for anyone and everyone to use, don’t put it out on the internet”.

    The artist already got paid for it. It’s a “victimless crime”. All the other parties involved (the artist and whoever originally used it) are the same either way.

    I would use it.

    Post # 55
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    332 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: May 2009

    If you don’t “put it out there,” how will you be able to draw in and show prospective clients what you can do? I’m a designer as well and partially depend on my online portfolio to generate interest and business. I design wedding invitations and know, first hand, how detailed and intricate a custom wedding map can be. Just because I’ve sold it once, doesn’t mean I don’t want to sell it again to someone else and that anyone should be able to steal it. It’s still MY work, made with MY talent and MY time, all of which should be compensated. Yes, the free ones are not the most pretty. That’s why they are available for free and exactly proves my point about the (stolen) value placed on the one in question.

    Post # 56
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    5147 posts
    Bee Keeper
    • Wedding: June 2011

    “If you don’t “put it out there,” how will you be able to draw in and show prospective clients what you can do?”

    If you are wanting to sell something, you wouldn’t put it on your website in full size, in an easily accessible/reproducible format, with no watermark.

    Post # 58
    Member
    332 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: May 2009

    @abbyful: Some artists do. That doesn’t mean they are giving others permission to steal it.

    Post # 59
    Member
    1986 posts
    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: June 2012

    Can you ask the artist how much it would cost to use the image that she has already created?  I’m sure it would just be a small fee.  I mean- it is no extra work to her and she might even be able to give you a better quality image.

    That said I don’t have much moral qualms with just using the image but it would make me feel better to inform the artist and even give them a small fee for it.

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