(Closed) Would you travel to North Korea?

posted 4 years ago in Travel
  • poll: What is your opinion on travel to North Korea?
    It's fine, and I would do it. : (33 votes)
    10 %
    It's fine for other people, but I wouldn't do it myself. : (61 votes)
    19 %
    I wouldn't ever do it, and neither should anyone else. : (213 votes)
    67 %
    Other (explain in comments) : (10 votes)
    3 %
  • Post # 121
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    248 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: April 2016

    A lot of people here need to chill and actually start travelling to understand how the world works. Reliance on your Western media is NOT a good strategy.

    Post # 122
    Member
    248 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: April 2016

    Oh noes you’re funding the North Korean regime!  As if you aren’t already funding the most successful imperialist, capitalist, warmongering, blood on its hands, exploitative regime in the world: the U.S.  

    Post # 123
    Member
    1833 posts
    Buzzing bee

    The only thing OP is looking for here is validation.  MANY MANY reasons have been given why this is a very poor idea but she has an “answer” for everything.

    Would I go?  No.  How much sympathy would I have for a fellow American (I am from US) who decided to ignore such good advice and go anyway, only to be arrested for no good reason?  None.

    I can think of nothing I would rather do than be a tourist in a country that makes its people appear to be thriving and happy when in fact they are poor, oppressed, and threatened with severe discipline if they don’t play their part and make the dictator look good.  You know, the one who is killing off all of his cabinet?

    Post # 124
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    4767 posts
    Honey bee
    • Wedding: November 1999

    minji:  I’d agree with you except that Americans are actually allowed to leave the US…

    Post # 125
    Member
    248 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: April 2016

    Atalanta:  The U.S. relies on more subtle methods of coercion to prevent people from travelling.  Debt, student loans, foreclosure (while bailing out banks), criminal records for very minor offenses (try travelling with a record), the threat of being denied re-entry as in the case of undocumented workers who are depended upon for their low wage labour.

    Post # 126
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    2680 posts
    Sugar bee
    • Wedding: September 2014

    minji:  oh, give me a freaking break! I could go on for days about the policies of the US government that I disagree with and how some of our elected officials are a complete disgrace. The nice thing is, being in America and not the DPRK I can say that without being sent to a labor or death camp. Every country in the world has its issues, that does not negate the fact that North Korea has one of the most horrific records for human rights abuses and one of the most oppressive regimes in the world. 

    The OPs insistence that she is going to get the real story, see beyond the media hype etc is either completely naive or utter bullshit. If she is genuinely fascinated with Korean history and wants to learn, she could travel to South Korea and take a day trip to the DMZ. If she was fully committed, she could even invest the time and energy to learn Korean so she could converse with people in their native language. However I suspect the work required to attention received ratio in that scenario would not satsify her. 

    OP should drop the pretense and admit she wants to go to DPRK to show that she is oh so edgy and a globetrotting bad ass who has been to 4? 5? countries. Own your decisions  

    People who dismiss the ethical implications of doing a state sponsored tour of DPRK, which will also financially benefit the regime….in another time would you have been cool with doing a tour of Nazi Germany organized by the Reich? How about a tour of Cambodia organized  by the Khmer Rouge? Or for the American History buffs, a lovely cruise on a slave ship?

     

    Post # 127
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    9527 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper

    minji:  America is not perfect, not by a long shot. I do not see any of your reasons of the US not allowing citizens to not travel though. I have only been to 30 countries, lived in a few, my husband has been to 40 and we are American. We are far from coerced. Many of us have traveled and that is why we are hesitant for the OP to go to NK. It is from experience, not simply from the media.

    Post # 128
    Member
    415 posts
    Helper bee

    I would not travel to North Korea. We have friends who traveled near there and were aghast at some of the dangers we heard about. 

    Post # 129
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    13707 posts
    Honey Beekeeper
    • Wedding: November 1999

    It’s a moot point, because I’m not allowed to go because of my job, but if that weren’t an issue, there’s still no way I’d go.  I think that the situation there with their government is too shaky, and that one small mistake could end up getting you incarcerated.  To me, it just isn’t worth the risk.

    Post # 130
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    8917 posts
    Buzzing Beekeeper

    travelbee42:  You should totally go. You sound way smarter than all those dopes from the UN and governments and academia and human rights groups. Not to mention people who escaped from there. Big bunch of dummies is what they are. You go and find out the real story and come back and tell us about it, k? And pix or it didn’t happen!

    Post # 131
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    1444 posts
    Bumble bee
    • Wedding: June 2014

    I haven’t really done any research on it, but I wouldn’t go because it seems like a completely fucked up, morbidly voyeuristic thing to do. If you want an honest perspective of what it’s like, and want to do good for its people, learn Korean, go to China and/or South Korea, and work with or contribute to an organization which helps former North Korean citizens.

    Post # 132
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    11574 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2015

    I love the railing against the US government, which allows citizens to publicy disagree with it as protected by our first amendment rights, being equated with a government of hardcore propaganda, where the citizens aren’t even allowed to speak to westerners. Yeah, totes the same! 

    Post # 133
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    11574 posts
    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: June 2015

    Daisy_Mae:  agreed at this point, and yet who will fund the rescue mission if she gets detained? Well, we would but there might not be one because there are no diplomatic relations. so that will be the fault of the u.s. Government too, I’m sure. 

    Post # 135
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    210 posts
    Helper bee
    • Wedding: October 2018 - Leu gardens, orlando

    So, when will you be looking to take this trip? 

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