Post # 92
@mrshoneybee: The flu shot is a guessing game, really. They vaccinate against the most common strains of the flu likely to be problematic that year, but you can still easily get a different strain of the flu than the ones covered in the vaccine. I wouldn’t jump to a conspiracy theory – just bad luck.
And I will absolutely vaccinate my children. Dr. Wakefield is a fraud and I believe he should serve jail time for all of the children who have died as a result of his unscrupulous research.
Post # 93
@Steinberg: her baby started behaving differently after she got her 18 month shots (having unexplained tantrums, she would space out a lot, and she wouldn’t eat at all. it was like she forgot how to swallow…) and she had ptosis on one of her eyes. they took her to the dr. and they diagnosed her with autism. a month later she decided to get a second opinion and they did bloodwork that showed that she had high levels of mercury. the only possible way she could have gotten it was from her vaccinations…. unless there was some freak accident in which she got into some mercury. she doesn’t go to daycare and she’s always with her mom.
but i will still vaccinate my child and my future children.
Post # 94
@CherryWaves: Do they ask on job applications if you’ve had vaccines? I’ve never heard of that before, but it is definitely something to be concerned about if you haven’t received vaccinations.
Post # 95
@AB Bride: I’m in Ontario, Canada and I remember being suspended in grade 10 or 11 because I was overdue for my MMR booster. So yes, it is mandatory, at least where I live. My mom took me to get the shot that day (and was likely a little embarassed to have forgotten / ignored the reminder note that was sent home earlier), and I went back to school the next day.
Post # 96
@araneidae: I don’t know if you caught the link I found. According to that, the 3 provinces where certain vaccines are mandatory, there is an exemption clause for medical or religious reasons, or just due to conscience. So basically it isn’t mandatory, but a parent does have to go on record there if they do not want their child vaccinated.
Post # 97
@AB Bride: When I was in the 10th grade, I got a letter saying I would be suspended if I didn’t get my tetnus booster and hep C shots by x date and expelled if I wasn’t immunized within a week of x date.
Post # 98
Yes. The studies showing them to have caused autism were flawed, and other risks are so small that studies can’t even decide what they are or how common they are (other than infinitesimally small), while the risks of getting a disease are much larger and more quantifiable. It is downright stupid and dangerous to not vaccinate your children. Not just dangerous for THEM, but for other children around them, even vaccinated ones, as vaccines do not take in all cases (and small babies haven’t yet been vaccinated). As well as the fact that it’s becoming increasingly common for doctors to refuse to accept children who have not been vaccinated without a valid medical reason for it. In some places, diseases that had been all but eradicated are coming back and KILLING BABIES because people have not vaccinated. Whooping cough kills small children who haven’t been vaccinated. It’s scary stuff.
Anyone who doesn’t vaccinate without a valid medical reason is ignorant. I would be more than happy if all exemptions for vaccines without a valid medical reason were removed from schools. (To the person who had an allergic reaction to a flu shot and whose doctor said she should stay away from vaccines – THAT is a valid medical reason. You have a history, and should thus space out your child’s vaccines one at a time so that if there IS an allergic reaction, the offending component can be isolated. That’s legitimate.)
I am very sorry for the kids in news stories I have read who have died of a disease that could have been prevented if they were vaccinated, but I can’t say I’m sorry for the parents, who made their choice and had to live with it.
And for the love of god, if you don’t vaccinate, keep your kid at home and away from other kids and ESPECIALLY babies and the elderly!
Seriously, guys. http://www.hubertlerch.com/classes/IH0852/Jenner_Notes.html We don’t need shit like that on our kids, yo.
And re: The flu shot – the flu shot only protects against several strains of the disease, those that were targeted the previous year as likely to be the strains that hit America the following year. Sometimes they are very wrong on their targets. Sometimes they get it mostly right but some other strains creep over from Asia as well. Sometimes the vaccine just doesn’t take. Usually it’s about 70% effective. It’s most effectively used to prevent the flu if all schoolchildren are inoculated, as they are the ones who it is most effective in and who spread most disease, but that doesn’t happen. When Japan used to vaccinate all schoolchildren with the flu shot, they had an extraordinarily low level of people with the flu, and it has increased every year since they stopped that, to levels nearer that of America.
Post # 99
I am so, so happy to see that so many people on the bee are decidedly pro-vaccine (and anti-antivaccine). As a biologist, it gives me that “I don’t want to live on this planet anymore!!!!” feeling when I hear about people who don’t vaccinate their kids because of their bizarre, misguided belief system. Anybody who doesn’t vaccinate their kids should have to go and live in an anti-vaccine commune together, and stay the hell away from the rest of us. People who do not vaccinate because of their own terrible choices are selfish, uneducated, and dangerous, and DO NOT DESERVE to benefit from the herd immunity of the rest of us.
Post # 100
Absolutely! It is a travesty that some people do not.
Post # 101
I was worried about vaccination as well (also my husband felt the same). However, we know that he needs vaccination for sure because we will be travelling a lot to Asia. So we decided to delay his first vaccianation until he’s ready (or we’re ready). He got his first shot when he’s about 3.5 years old and we kind of keep up with almost every vaccianation now (we don’t give him MMR). He will get another shot before our trip this year (boost the immune shot).
Post # 103
As someone who had a violent reaction to the whooping cough vaccine when I was a kid you’d think I’d be against them BUT the sheer fact that I cannot take that vaccine makes it critical that others who can vaccinate do! I am at significant risk because your kid is not vaccinated. It is not just your kid, it is a public health issue.
Post # 104
If and when I have kids — will vaccinate them. I have a cousin who is heavily against vaccination (homeopath). I’ve heard her arguments. But I’ve worked on medical textbooks and have seen pictures from the turn of the century of kids/infants with some fairly horrific medical conditions.
Post # 105
@araneidae: Did you read my post about why I would consider not vaccinating? Some people do not develop immunity after being vaccinated, would you tell them they don’t deserve to benefit from herd immunity? If not, why should people who have contraindications to vaccines not be able to benefit from herd immunity?
It doesn’t make me anti-vax. I am pro-vaccine as I know I am relying on herd immunity because there are diseases that people can be vaccinated against that I am no longer protected from.
What exactly am I uneducated about? I have a pretty good understanding of how vaccines work. I am not an immunologist, but I do have a basic understanding of immunology. I have personal experience with how horrible it can be to deal with the long-term effects of a rare but serious adverse reaction to a vaccine.
Post # 106
@AB Bride: I don’t think she was talking about you. Nobody is saying you should throw your own health or the health of your kids out the window – since you have had a severe reaction to vaccinnes. Not every anti-vax irritation post is directed at you. I believe you are reading into those posts or are chosing to make an issue.