(Closed) would you want to know (racism)

posted 8 years ago in The Lounge
  • poll: Would you want to know?

    yes

    no

    maybe (please elaborate)

  • Post # 122
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

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    @Overjoyed:  I had read the OP a while ago and was reading more recent replies.  Your comments do make more sense in the context of a white supremacist, but I still disagree that 100% of the people who voted no are almost certainly all white.

    Post # 123
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    Sugar Beekeeper
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    As to the question, yes, I would like to know.  That doesn’t always give me the right to know.  People can have their own opinions, regardless of how disgusting they are.  A pedophile has the right to fantasize about a kid if they want, as long as they aren’t actually harming a child (which includes looking at kiddie porn).  The minute someone is public about something though, I think it’s fine to share that.

    Post # 124
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    Helper bee
    • Wedding: December 2012

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    @drummerbride:  

    If they were a friend or acquaintance, then I would of course want to know. I think when it comes to the workplace it really depends on more factors. If the were in a position that put them in direct contact or the potential of direct contact with a person of a different race, then their beliefs are an issue and obstacle to their ability to do their job. 

    Someone responsible for hiring/firing, teaching others, in person contact with potential clients and current clients, someone in a supervisory role, those in government paid jobs, etc. I think it’s important the employer is aware of these beliefs. All those roles the person’s individual beliefs will affect work. A white supremist is not going to be able to woo a new high profile client that isn’t white. Their views of superiority will come through, but not many people would experience white supremist views and assume the person is racist.

    There are many people in society that are simply a-holes in general. 

     

    Very well put!

    Post # 125
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    I’m mixed… so yeah…. I want to know who to avoid for my own safety and well being.

     

    In high school, a friend of mine invited me to her house for a slumber party. While I’m mixed, you can only really tell if you’re looking for it or I don’t straighten my hair (shape of my nose and lips, texture of my hair, etc) My friend knew I was mixed, but she didn’t tell me her mother was a horrible racist until I got in the car with her. Without prompting, she almost immediately started in with this horrible racist monologue. Obviously I felt angry and completely unsafe. I had to have my mom, who is black, pick me up. My friend’s (past tense) mom asked why I was leaving when the doorbell rang and only really got it when my mom was at the door and took me home.

     

    So, yeah. I want to know. In any case. I’m not going to give my time, my sincerity, my generocity, or my civility to anyone who harbors such disgusting ideas.

    Post # 126
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    btw- the large number of people who polled who said they would not want to know have made me want to leave the Bee. I know that there are a lot of people with differing beliefs than my own, but this is just disturbing.

    Post # 127
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    Busy bee
    • Wedding: February 2013

    I’m all for respecting beliefs. For instance, I respect those who believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I respect the belief that there is one God and Muhammed is his prophet. I respect the belief that there is no God. I respect the belief that the democrat or republican party is the preferable option.

    There is a difference between those beliefs, though, and saying “I believe I am inherently better than another person based solely on factors over which neither they nor I had any control.” I have no time for that shit. If you want to think you’re better than someone else, at least base it on something worthwhile that you’ve done, not just having been born one way or another.

    I would want to know, especially if I considered this person to be anything more than a casual acquaintence. And even if that’s all they were, I would want to know.

    Post # 128
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

    Um yeah.  If someone were a total nutcase racist activist, I would DEFINITELY want to know and I would DEFINITELY tell mutual friends.  It’s just not OK to have that insane of beliefs/passions and have your friends overlook it.

    Post # 129
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    Busy bee
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    @AB Bride:  I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to say that anyone who wouldn’t want to know is white. I voted yes and I’m white, but that’s not the point. I can imagine a situation in which someone who was not white would not want to know. Obviously I can’t imagine another person’s context completely, but I can at least empathize. As a woman, I can say that if I had to work with someone that was really sexist outside of work, I could see the appeal in not knowing. I imagine it would be similar for a racially oppressed group.

    I think it does an injustice to everyone when you assume that only people of a certain race think a certain way. I’m willing to bet that both white and non-white people voted “no”, and probably for similar reasons.

    Post # 130
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    Buzzing bee
    • Wedding: September 2013

    Oh my god….. I have been sitting here, slack jawed, reading all of your views (most of which are saying you wouldn’t want to know, it has nothing to do with you) and I’m nearly hyperventilating over here, I’m so shocked and disturbed.

     

    When it comes to name ettiquette or your mother in laws, you’ll talk all the live long day about how understanding and tolerant people should be.

     

    When it comes to a white supremasist, you’d rather leave this stain under a rug and pretend you never saw it. I find this to be unconditionally selfish and ignorant.

     

    If YOU were someone who would have something to fear from a white supremasist (like, you know, if you were black, jewish, etc. etc.) I bet you wouldn’t just quietly let this slide. I’m disgusted.

     

    My whole life I’ve dealt with racism- from teachers, from strangers, from my mothers military commanders. It isn’t always as obvious as a hood hanging in someone’s closet. It isn’t always as subtle as a quick snear on the street. If I knew someone was actively pursuing a lifestyle of HATE, even if they weren’t flaunting it in places where they know they wil be admonished, I would want to warn others.

     

    What happens if you aren’t white, and you’re sharing an elevator with this freak? What happens if you’re alone, and no one has told you what they feel, even if they knew. What happens if something HAPPENS with them, and no one bothered to even broach a conversation with your boss, or you and your friends? Free speech is protected under the law. Racism is not. Most states are at will ANYWAY.

     

    In Oklahoma, I could have been fired if I posted about being a Democrat online and my Republican boss found out about it, but you want to make sure you don’t rock the boat on someone who actively hates and deplores you based on the color of your skin or your religious beliefs?

     

    Give me a fucking break.

    Post # 131
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    Sugar Beekeeper
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    @AdriannaJean:  Please read my post again.  I am disagreeing with Overjoyed’s statement.

    I never said only people of a certain race can think a certain way.

    Post # 132
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    Busy bee
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    @AB Bride:  Oh haha, yup. Entirely misread that…

    I can readz I swarez… Embarassed

    Post # 133
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    Sugar Beekeeper
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    @AdriannaJean:  It happens 🙂  I just didn’t want to be misunderstood on this one!

    Post # 134
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    Bee Keeper

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    @AdriannaJean:  LOL – and I see you can spell too!

    Post # 135
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    Sugar Beekeeper
    • Wedding: January 2011

    To my earlier answer, I will add I would also share any information that I came across if it was illegal.  Anything public, or something that was private and I somehow came across it and it was illegal I would let others know.  Hate speech here is illegal.

    Post # 136
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    Buzzing Beekeeper
    • Wedding: August 2013 - Rocky Mountains USA

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    @Asia:  I’m with you.  Full-on racist acitivism isn’t just one of those “Each to their own” deals.  

    But remember it’s just the internet… There are a lot of ignorant f*cks out there in the world and some of them are getting married.  😉

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